Logical recycling

sato's picture

How Maine is transforming who pays for recycling

Gonna mess Maine up more than likely. Needs to be national or companies that profit from not caring about waste will have incentive to move out.

The "pass costs on to the consumer" line is complete BS though, that's the whole point! Manufacturers that produce less or more easily recyclable packaging will have less to pass on to consumers, and thus have a price advantage. Also recycling costs are currently paid for by consumers anyway through higher taxes.

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stokkebye's picture

Recycling anything but metal is bullshit. It all started with some garbage barges that got kicked down the coast and it was made to seem like landfills were filling up so a politician latched on it and made a name for himself by pushing bullshit and the media ran with it. Localities got forced into it and since it made jobs no one complained. Now people were force fed the bullshit from school and it makes them feel good, they thin it helps the planet or some shit but it doesnt. For decades it was all just shipped off to shithole countries and now they dont want it so it goes back to the landfill but people still do it becuase thats what they were taught in school and it makes them feel good.

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sato's picture

horeshit. recycling of all kinds would be much cheaper and far less land intensive than forestry and oil based plastics if those two industries weren't so heavily subsidized already. even despite this, there are a few factories which sell recycled plastic for cheaper than raw around the world. it makes sense before you don't have to drill, pump, fractionize, polymerize, or transport, because it's already plastic and already in the place and form you need it in.

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Dude's picture

exactly In belgium we recycle everything metal glass, we have a bag for all plastics, we can turn in hard plastics like buckets, green waste like leftover food and anything that is compostable, we can turn in styrofoam spraycans bottles from chemicals, batteries, leftover medicines wood stone, asbestos, garden clippings, all kinds of oils, electronics all of it is recycled, and usualy in those container parks they hold chickens so it is kind of a petting zoo for kids, where they can throw stale bread and vegetables at the chickens, everything has a purpose, we do however pay an estimated cost for bringing in all kinds of stuff they punch a hole in the card and you put it in the containers yourself, recycling stuff is cheaper then regular waste, the blue bag for plastics is cheaper then the black bag

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stokkebye's picture

Almost all plastic cant be recycled and what can be takes up too much energy to recycle. Wood is a renewable resource, no shortage of it, recycling it is a pain in the ass and you dont usually get much useable products in the end. Glass, again very time consuming and resource intensive but it can be done. If it cost more to recycle it, if it requires more coal and resources to recycle it than to extract the raw materials then it is not worth doing. Think about all the diesel, man hours, vehicles to just pick the shit up. Then sort it, clean it, process it. I remember something about the oil companies pushing bullshit about recycling plastic even though they knew it was not feasible because the govt/people wanted to curb its usage. There's some documentary about it.  

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-i...

 

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sato's picture

complete horseshit now. all plastic is recyclable. some plastic recyclers only use physical processes, which can't do all kinds of plastic because the end product isn't strong enough to be reused, but plastic recycling facilities that use chemical processes to break down the plastic then repolymerize it not only can recycle any kind of plastic but their end product is identical to new plastic produced from oil.

 

"Chemical recycling creates value in previously unrecyclable plastic waste by breaking down these plastics into petrochemical feedstock, which can then be reused as building blocks for new virgin-quality polymers."

https://www.bpf.co.uk/plastipedia/chemical-recycling-101.aspx

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stokkebye's picture

Yeah, Im stopping at "under development", LOL.

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Pdub's picture

I wonder how much a week in tax free money you can make just snatching recyclables from landfills and garbage dumps.

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daftcunt's picture

One of the worst packages is "tetrapack" as it is a composite of 3 materials:

aluminium, polypropylene and paper.

 

The best way to recycle plastic or glass bottles is to re-use them, a practice applied in many european countries for decades. As the bottles are in an actual cycle it is way easier for them to be crushed and the material re-used (even as bottles, however not 1:1) when their lifespan is expired.

Supermarkets should be forced to offer that clients can bring their own food containers for fresh produce, where applicable.
Cleaning containers at home does not make any environmental sense at all.
 

There is no reason for packaging to be put in landfills, as it can always be burned and used for making electricity (like we do here on Mallorcas) in modern plants, which is not perfect but at least of less environmental impact.

 

Local solutions need to be found, shipping rubbish around the world should be banned.

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sato's picture

exactly. if producers were responsible for recycling costs, they'd come up with packages and products that were easier to recycle.

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