back when USSR was failing in their transition into free market economics & Canada was still culturally genociding the indigenous population as official policy
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
it comes with being part of a parlimentary constitutional monarchy. you'de get that but... you're from two tribes but belong to none
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danman (Site Administrator)
sal9000 tyring to explain away the cultural genocide Canada inflicted on the indigenous population
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
we already did this dance two years ago dan. don't you remember? you post something bad about canada history. i post something worse about canada's history. i own my bad. this is from me to you from two years ago
"were both in commonwealth countries, we speak the same english. have large neighbours whos politics dominates our own. we have aborinials that get the short end of the stick. we both signed this letter"
you're going into these conversations extremely unprepared. almost like you have a need to do it. how are you feeling?
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danman (Site Administrator)
Australia doesn't dominate NZ at all.
Maybe get a clue what you're talking about?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
australia represents 40% of new zealands tourism. australia is one if its biggest trading partners and military allies. it usually follows suit and gets lumped in with australia when china complains like a few years ago about interference . australia does something, new zealand complains and accepts it. didnt new zealand back australia in the trade dispute with china last year? i get the feeling i know more about new zealand then what was in the pamphlet you got on the boat
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danman (Site Administrator)
Australia is a rich country that's right next door, of course a lot of tourists come from there. Nothing you've listed shows Australia politically dominates NZ.
"didnt new zealand back australia in the trade dispute with china last year?"
no, quite the opposite.
I say again: maybe get a clue what you're talking about?
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sato (Old Spike)
can't decide which is a more ridiculous complete reversal of facts, the idea that in 1989 the ussr was transitioning into free market economics, or that nz didn't back aus in its trade dispute with china.
New Zealand backs Australia in trade spat with China
usually you just go ad-hominem or whataboutism, or have you been reading up on tiananmen some more and just decide that to state the exact opposite is if it were fact is the way to go?
sal already pointed out a couple of cons about canada and nz, so far he's the bigger man, unless you're gonna throw in a few downsides of the ccp? or is that too much of a risk? i suppose they are looking harder at dual citizens nowadays.
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danman (Site Administrator)
that was a WTO issue & it was in NZ's economic interest to take that stance.
China & Australia had a drawn out trade dispute for much of last year & NZ batted away all kinds of political pressure to take Aussie's side, including Aussie talking shit about kicking NZ out of 5-eyes. That Reuters article is grasping at straws to portray things as NZ backing Australia in a confrontation with China & if you think it somehow proves Australia politically dominates NZ I have a bridge to sell you.
Here's another article on the topic without the Reuters spin:
if you had a decent bullshit detector you could have figured this out from the Reuters article just by reading Damien O'Conner's statement. The article had no substance to the claims it was making.
Not gonna respond to your hot takes about cpc or "bigger man" garbage. You're a weeb, what do you even know about manhood.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
if one country that takes a stance on an issue because its in its economical interest to do it and the country its backing applies political pressure to get it to back them. all while that country talks shit about it kicking it out or not letting it in to security packs. that sounds like dominance.
everything i just said. could be applied to canada/usa or new zealand/australia relationships.
and in reality, new zealand took a stance on something they didn't need to take a stance on. china is new zealand's biggest importer by 3 or 4 times that of australia. sounds like new zealand did it to appease their australian masters
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danman (Site Administrator)
"bla blah blah.. that sounds like dominance"
ok mate, I'll forget that I keenly watched it unfold last year & that there's no evidence of any political domination & the experts who say it was an objective measure for NZ's self-interest & just take your word for it .. because it "sounds like" something that suits your argument.
"everything i just said. could be applied to canada/usa or new zealand/australia relationships."
except no, not at all.
your economic dominance & history of political influence coming from the US isn't disputed at all. There's no such history of Australia dominating NZ politically. Not even a little bit. And the countries have been drifting further apart politically for about a decade.
"and in reality, new zealand took a stance on something they didn't need to take a stance on"
it suited NZ's interest to call China on their WTO obligations, even though it's mostly symbolic. In reality NZ doesn't *need* to do anything other than feed itself which isn't hard because it's essentially a big dairy farm with some bungy jumps & skifields.
China being NZ's number 1 trade partner, with triple the trade of 2nd place Australia, it's important for NZ to fly straight & call them when they're seen to be fudging things too much. NZ doesn't want the same shit to happen to it & China tolerates this kind of honest approach, hence NZ hasn't seen any real retaliation from China other than after a joint statement made about HK I think it was.... being part of an anti-China political bloc is not in NZ's interest but the Aussies are keen on playing that game.
What's Canada's trade with US again?
oh yea
you're barking up the wrong tree here, sal9000
you would have been much better off trying to make a case for US or even UK dominating NZ policy, at least there's a nugget of truth there. Nothing like cuckville Canada though. NATO member, economically cucked to an aggressive imperial power on the decline. Zionist lobby. Arms maker wannabe providing weapons to the Gulf Arabs while they tell you they'll 9/11 your ass if you step outa line. Thing that really must sting though is Canada's embrace of Nazis on behalf of their NATOstan obligations. Yuck.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
"blah blah blah, i don't understand the country i live in, its history, how its geopolitics works, how economics works but. i say blah blah blah because i have to say something and i get corrected so i move onto another subject and do the same blah blah blah and get corrected and move onto subject and blah blah blah". look how this convo started and how you progressed. always making it about something else. i accept everything. i own everything. thats why i said "everything i just said. could be applied to canada/usa or new zealand/australia relationships". you don't read, you just see red
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danman (Site Administrator)
apology accepted
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
you should read it again, no apology in there. it's like you're trying to say that the russian stock market is open while there's a ban on short selling, foreigners can't sell stocks and only a 6th of the listed companies can be traded on
seriously, how are you feeling?
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danman (Site Administrator)
lol
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
This is what I was talking about in the last video you posted where the young guy was laughing at the older people trying to grab as much sugar as they could. They remember.
My grandmothers house was a time capsule of hard times, newspapers were stuffed in cracks and holes for insulation during hard times, every time there was a fuel cost spike. Pretty neat to see all the dates and every time there were problems. House was built in 1850 and she bought it in 1920. Had coal fireplaces and a oil furnace. My other grandmother lived in the countryside and canned tons of stuff every year, I used to help and she would always talk about how bad things were in the great depression and why she kept canning stuff in case it happened again.
We are very lucky to not have to worry about food. But that could change anytime.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I don't know what everyone is on about. This video is the socialist utopia. There is no secret, THIS IS IT!
Many nations are about to hit the "great leap Forward" 2.0.
Of course the Ukraine situation will be blamed. It was simply the trigger to what was already planned.
Socialism has always worked exactly as intended. Just get rid of the Patriots and the Utopia can no longer be held back.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Oh wait, this time we'll have masks and plenty of vaccines to eat.
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(Site Administrator)
back when USSR was failing in their transition into free market economics & Canada was still culturally genociding the indigenous population as official policy
(Long Spike)
it comes with being part of a parlimentary constitutional monarchy. you'de get that but... you're from two tribes but belong to none
(Site Administrator)
sal9000 tyring to explain away the cultural genocide Canada inflicted on the indigenous population
(Long Spike)
we already did this dance two years ago dan. don't you remember? you post something bad about canada history. i post something worse about canada's history. i own my bad. this is from me to you from two years ago
https://www.spikednation.com/videos/foreign-born-population-us-1850-2019
"were both in commonwealth countries, we speak the same english. have large neighbours whos politics dominates our own. we have aborinials that get the short end of the stick. we both signed this letter"
you're going into these conversations extremely unprepared. almost like you have a need to do it. how are you feeling?
(Site Administrator)
Australia doesn't dominate NZ at all.
Maybe get a clue what you're talking about?
(Long Spike)
australia represents 40% of new zealands tourism. australia is one if its biggest trading partners and military allies. it usually follows suit and gets lumped in with australia when china complains like a few years ago about interference . australia does something, new zealand complains and accepts it. didnt new zealand back australia in the trade dispute with china last year? i get the feeling i know more about new zealand then what was in the pamphlet you got on the boat
(Site Administrator)
Australia is a rich country that's right next door, of course a lot of tourists come from there. Nothing you've listed shows Australia politically dominates NZ.
"didnt new zealand back australia in the trade dispute with china last year?"
no, quite the opposite.
I say again: maybe get a clue what you're talking about?
(Old Spike)
can't decide which is a more ridiculous complete reversal of facts, the idea that in 1989 the ussr was transitioning into free market economics, or that nz didn't back aus in its trade dispute with china.
New Zealand backs Australia in trade spat with China usually you just go ad-hominem or whataboutism, or have you been reading up on tiananmen some more and just decide that to state the exact opposite is if it were fact is the way to go? sal already pointed out a couple of cons about canada and nz, so far he's the bigger man, unless you're gonna throw in a few downsides of the ccp? or is that too much of a risk? i suppose they are looking harder at dual citizens nowadays.(Site Administrator)
that was a WTO issue & it was in NZ's economic interest to take that stance.
China & Australia had a drawn out trade dispute for much of last year & NZ batted away all kinds of political pressure to take Aussie's side, including Aussie talking shit about kicking NZ out of 5-eyes. That Reuters article is grasping at straws to portray things as NZ backing Australia in a confrontation with China & if you think it somehow proves Australia politically dominates NZ I have a bridge to sell you.
Here's another article on the topic without the Reuters spin:
...
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3135440/china-australia-relations-new-zealand-not-taking-sides
if you had a decent bullshit detector you could have figured this out from the Reuters article just by reading Damien O'Conner's statement. The article had no substance to the claims it was making.
Not gonna respond to your hot takes about cpc or "bigger man" garbage. You're a weeb, what do you even know about manhood.
(Long Spike)
if one country that takes a stance on an issue because its in its economical interest to do it and the country its backing applies political pressure to get it to back them. all while that country talks shit about it kicking it out or not letting it in to security packs. that sounds like dominance.
everything i just said. could be applied to canada/usa or new zealand/australia relationships.
and in reality, new zealand took a stance on something they didn't need to take a stance on. china is new zealand's biggest importer by 3 or 4 times that of australia. sounds like new zealand did it to appease their australian masters
(Site Administrator)
"bla blah blah.. that sounds like dominance"
ok mate, I'll forget that I keenly watched it unfold last year & that there's no evidence of any political domination & the experts who say it was an objective measure for NZ's self-interest & just take your word for it .. because it "sounds like" something that suits your argument.
"everything i just said. could be applied to canada/usa or new zealand/australia relationships."
except no, not at all.
your economic dominance & history of political influence coming from the US isn't disputed at all. There's no such history of Australia dominating NZ politically. Not even a little bit. And the countries have been drifting further apart politically for about a decade.
"and in reality, new zealand took a stance on something they didn't need to take a stance on"
it suited NZ's interest to call China on their WTO obligations, even though it's mostly symbolic. In reality NZ doesn't *need* to do anything other than feed itself which isn't hard because it's essentially a big dairy farm with some bungy jumps & skifields.
China being NZ's number 1 trade partner, with triple the trade of 2nd place Australia, it's important for NZ to fly straight & call them when they're seen to be fudging things too much. NZ doesn't want the same shit to happen to it & China tolerates this kind of honest approach, hence NZ hasn't seen any real retaliation from China other than after a joint statement made about HK I think it was.... being part of an anti-China political bloc is not in NZ's interest but the Aussies are keen on playing that game.
What's Canada's trade with US again?
oh yea
you're barking up the wrong tree here, sal9000
you would have been much better off trying to make a case for US or even UK dominating NZ policy, at least there's a nugget of truth there. Nothing like cuckville Canada though. NATO member, economically cucked to an aggressive imperial power on the decline. Zionist lobby. Arms maker wannabe providing weapons to the Gulf Arabs while they tell you they'll 9/11 your ass if you step outa line. Thing that really must sting though is Canada's embrace of Nazis on behalf of their NATOstan obligations. Yuck.
(Long Spike)
"blah blah blah, i don't understand the country i live in, its history, how its geopolitics works, how economics works but. i say blah blah blah because i have to say something and i get corrected so i move onto another subject and do the same blah blah blah and get corrected and move onto subject and blah blah blah". look how this convo started and how you progressed. always making it about something else. i accept everything. i own everything. thats why i said "everything i just said. could be applied to canada/usa or new zealand/australia relationships". you don't read, you just see red
(Site Administrator)
apology accepted
(Long Spike)
you should read it again, no apology in there. it's like you're trying to say that the russian stock market is open while there's a ban on short selling, foreigners can't sell stocks and only a 6th of the listed companies can be traded on
seriously, how are you feeling?
(Site Administrator)
lol
(sounds retarded)
This is what I was talking about in the last video you posted where the young guy was laughing at the older people trying to grab as much sugar as they could. They remember.
My grandmothers house was a time capsule of hard times, newspapers were stuffed in cracks and holes for insulation during hard times, every time there was a fuel cost spike. Pretty neat to see all the dates and every time there were problems. House was built in 1850 and she bought it in 1920. Had coal fireplaces and a oil furnace. My other grandmother lived in the countryside and canned tons of stuff every year, I used to help and she would always talk about how bad things were in the great depression and why she kept canning stuff in case it happened again.
We are very lucky to not have to worry about food. But that could change anytime.
(Old Spike)
I don't know what everyone is on about. This video is the socialist utopia. There is no secret, THIS IS IT!
Many nations are about to hit the "great leap Forward" 2.0.
Of course the Ukraine situation will be blamed. It was simply the trigger to what was already planned.
Socialism has always worked exactly as intended. Just get rid of the Patriots and the Utopia can no longer be held back.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Oh wait, this time we'll have masks and plenty of vaccines to eat.