Strange time we're about to live through.
Day 1 of lockdown started here today. Streets are empty, it's like the world stood still.
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Temporary Hospitals Going Up Around the World
Strange time we're about to live through.
Day 1 of lockdown started here today. Streets are empty, it's like the world stood still.
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(sounds retarded)
Beds wont help anyone, its ventilators that are needed. You are better off staying at home then going into one of those plague camps where you get massive doses of the virus from the infected. This just gives the sheeple the illusion of hope! And the government can say they did something when in fact it was their failure to act fast enough is the root cuase.
The reason doctors and nurses are dying is becuase of the amount of the virus they receive all at once. If you get one or two viruses in your respritory system it takes days to weeks to get to the level these people are exposed to all at once and it overwhelms their system. If given enough time, like small doses of the virus in your system, your immune system has enough time to "learn" how to fight it off.
This is not like the flu where you can just give someone some soup and a comfy bed and they get better, this virus attacks and fucks up the lungs. And its your bodies own immune system that carpet bombs the whole area, killing off good cells with the infected, that causes the lung damage.
(Old Spike)
80% of the spread happens inside the home so people going to these facilities reduces spreading. It also allows nurses to monitor them in case they need more intensive care. I don't think anyone who's infected should be going home but unfortunately that's how a lot of countries are doing it so far. It's a waste of lockdown time to just let it spread through homes IMO.
(Old Spike)
Do you have any study or research references for the 'amount of virus you receive all at once' hypothesis?
Not that I disagree with you but I don't beleive it is proven.
Also, I believe China has proven you wrong with 2x1000 person hospitals. And all those mild cases in the stadium.
The problem I see right now, is if you need extra help then, you want to be one of the first in the hospitals so you can get priority access to the equipment. Waiting too long with symptoms that get critical could mean you are queued and as we have seen in Italy if you can't get the support then death...
(Old Spike)
Exponentianl growth.... its a thing. The world consensus on how to bottleneck the virus, to avoid it at all cost, litteraly. What we see in this clip is preperation for that fulcrum to be breached.
These are all death beds. If you come in having difficulty breathing... thats it.You get 75x200cm of ...you dead, unless luck :P It is what it is, can't go back in time and prepare. We done fucked up! Every single epidemiologist knew something like this was coming, still we fucked up. Thankfully, it's not Disease X... or maybe it is. Chances are low though. Corona virus an all, then again...
80% spread at home? not all of us lives in a chinese propaganda cluster sweatshop :P
If you can relay this to Danman.... can't argue with idiots, principle.
(Old Spike)
"not all of us lives in a chinese propaganda cluster sweatshop" is not an argument.
(sounds retarded)
Yes, Ive been following this retired doctor for the past month, he talked about it in one of his videos, I suggest you watch a few and you'll find the one where he talks about the amount of virus you get al at once as opposed to just a few. He finds studies and research and reports them to us laymen :)
(sounds retarded)
(Old Spike)
I had to stop listening to the doctor. I would argue he's actually dangerous. All he does is summarize the day's news and offers commentary on things he knows about. But I found that I started trusting what he said and considering them as facts. It's very subtle but he doesn't always back up his evidence.
Like in this video, he says sit people up vs lay them down b/c he learned this from treating flu victims for 40 years. But he didn't site any sources that this is effective against C19. So, yes he clarified that this was for flu but why tell us? So if we get it, we can experiment to see if sitting up vs lieing down has an effect? Inexperienced individuals shouldn't be using themselves as test cases.
I wouldn't be surprised if in an earlier video he recommended taking Ibuprofen only later to correct himself when evidence came out that this is bad. Who would have know? Only those administering it to a large group of patients or those reviewing the results.
I'm not saying he is not helpful but I would only take something as fact if it had some research or even some small studies done for a possible fact.
(Old Spike)
He's pretty good on treatments I think, he warned against ibuprofen weeks ago & also tends to recommend away from taking anti-fever meds, explaining why the fever is kind of good for you. I don't agree with everything either of those youtubers say but in general they tend to be a good way to get daily summaries. Both have been pretty good at predicting what's coming early, like going back to January.
(Long Spike)
some news going around that the test kits provided by china work less than 30% of the time or work as they were intended
(Old Spike)
what news?
since you haven't answered I'll answer for you... there's a Western propaganda narrative that "China" supplied Spain with faulty test kits. In fact what happened is the Chinese govt provided a list of approved companies to Spain for where to buy them but the Spanish govt ignored this & sourced some from a supplier in Guangzhou that wasn't on the list. This is being used to spread fakenews about how "China" provided faulty test kits to Spain.
If I buy a cheap Macbook from an outlet in the US, even after I was given a list of legit Apple stores, and the device turns out to have problems, would you say the United States sent me the dud laptop?
(Long Spike)
80% of the kits donated to the czech are faulty.
(Old Spike)
Looks like the Czechs were using the wrong kit & they weren't donated they were purchased. The kits they bought are to test for antibodies but they're trying to use them for testing suspected cases. Could be worse, they could have supplied their own kits, only to find out they didn't work, like the Americans did.
(Long Spike)
some news going around that the number of urns outnumbers the number of deaths in china, but we knew that already
(Old Spike)
how many urns?
(Long Spike)
1 out of 8 local funeral homes had 6k urns dropped off, so the estimates are somewhere from 16,000-26,000
(Old Spike)
And how many people would have died during the lockdown in that region, without the virus?
(Long Spike)
well, if you go by chinas 7% mortality rate, thats just over 2100 people per day die, on average. now take the 2500 that died with the coronavirus. if they all died on one day. the bodies devided over the 20 or so funeral homes. thats 10 days of nonstop burning. but they didnt. it was spread over a few months. but there was also news from a month ago that crematorias were burning bodies 24/7. so instead of a funeral home having 105 urns, they got 230 urns, but you got one funeral home that got 6k urns dropped off.
(Long Spike)
my math went wonky at the end. 2500 coronas over 60 days burned by 20 funeral homes should be an extra 2 urns per day to each funeral home
(Old Spike)
You've failed to account for the fact that during lockdown people were unable to collect the ashes of anyone who'd died (incl non-epidemic-related).
How many days were they in lockdown?
The crematoriums were open 24/7 because the bodies were being disposed of immediately. To assume they were burning bodies that whole time without any evidence is retarded. It doesn't take much to overflow morgues when there's a spike in deaths & virus-filled bodies aren't exactly something you want stacking up. There's a similar problem in Brooklyn right now:
(Long Spike)
whats the start date of the lockdown where you wouldnt have been able to go get the ashes?
think wuhan is still under lockdown for another week
(Old Spike)
What happened to your calculations?
(Long Spike)
might not have to do any. if you give me a date of when people were not allowed to get get ashes, i might be able to give you an article of people going to get ashes during the lockdown
(Old Spike)
What happened to your calculations?
(Long Spike)
ok, so lets say we go by chinas jan 23 lockdown, anything after that was just simply extending the time of the lockdown. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-family/dying-a-desperate-death-a-wuhan-familys-coronavirus-ordeal-idUSKBN2080NY. thats an article about someone dying on jan 30/31th and the family not being able to go get the ashes for atleast 15 days. so. they could go get them after feb 14/15th. thats during the lockdown, when i looked. i wasnt able to find anything saying people couldnt go get ashes, just that funerals were banned.
(Old Spike)
they could go get them after feb 14/15th
source?
(Long Spike)
its in the link. if you search his name you'll find the same article on a few other sites