taking a bone from a dog

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stokkebye's picture

My dog bit me once, I forgot what had happened but he was in trouble and didn't want to listen and snipped when I tried to grab him. That 100 lb doggy was up in the air by his neck regretting his bite pretty fucking fast. Never tested me or bit me again after that. This little shit should have been slapped into the next universe. You can't let a dog bite an owner like that, imagine a kid trying to grab the dogs toy or bone and bites.

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daftcunt's picture

You shouldn't have a dog.

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stokkebye's picture

Funny. I got one of the best behaved awesome dog. Never barks or runs away, plays well with kids, no food aggression or any other aggressive behaviors. Walks on a leash very well, doesnt care about other dogs walking by, hell, I got people asking me all the time how I "trained" him and how good my dog is. And most important of all, he's a happy dog. BUT I wont allow my own dog to fucking bite me, you pussy! SO go fuck yourself! 

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daftcunt's picture

This is of course wasted on you but maybe someone with more than 2 neurons reads this too:

 

Barking, growling biting etc. are symptoms, NOT the desease. Also they are methods of communication for the dog. Punishing this has a very high likelyhood of supressing the behaviour, this is especially true if people do it that don't work with dogs every day. So the dog will still feel exactly the same about the situation but doesn't bark growl or bite etc. because they are afraid of the consequences.

Suppression of behaviour in the long run may lead to actual behaviour modification, there is high risk that it doesn't and then the dog will react way more fiercly "out of the blue".

 

Behaviour modification works way more reliably when focussing on the underlying reason for it, not the behaviour as such.

 

In your case of the dog biting the handler they actually live with the dog is out of some reason extremely stressed, punishing the behaviour more likely than not just adds to the stress.

 

Like I said it doesn't mean it did not work out in your case, however, watch the dog closely and pay less attention to dog shows on the telly.

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stokkebye's picture

If this dog was a shelter dog they adopted, ok, but if they raised it, then they created that behavior, probably thinking it was funny. No dog should ever bite its owners and if they did smack it when it first did that shit when it was a pup then the dog would have known that it was not acceptable right at the beginning. Dogs communicate by snarling and snippping at each other, smacking it is the same thing. 

 

My response to those who ask me how I "trained" my dog: Its because I raised him and spent everyday and every hour with him and I corrected bad behavior and rewarded good. I call it the beats and treats method! When I caught him barking at other dogs walking in the street Id yell at him or smack him if i was close enough. One time he thought he could try to grab food off the table till I smacked him, he never tried that again. How else would a dog learn NOT to do something? Have a sit down talk with them? Explain to them how they cannot do that? Give him a time out? Reward him when he doesnt eat food off the table? LOL

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daftcunt's picture

As expected completely wasted on you. You didn't even remotely TRY to comprehend a word I wrote.

 

"Reward him when he doesnt eat food off the table?"

Yes, exactly. It is a simple process, quicker than punishing them for trying to eat off the table and way more reliable in creating the desired outcome long term.

 

Also:

 

  • you are not a dog, don't try to behave like one, you'll fail
  • snarling and snapping are mostly not educational but management measures
  • There is no such thing as "bad" behaviour. At least not as far as dogs are concerned.
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phytonadione's picture

The only thing I would recommend is not "smacking" the dog. A light slap on the ass to get his attentiion may be ok but anything more and the dog may react negatively to a raised hand approaching from a small child coming in for a hug or pet. Iv'e owned 9 dogs in my lifetime (Husky, 2 Akitas, 2 Goldens, 2 Dachshunds, Great Pyrenees, and a Airedale Terrier) and have never smacked them. My ususal go to has been to grab them by the nape of their neck and pin them to the ground. And I have only had to resort to this method when there was infighting (basically when I owned the 2 Akitas at the same time).

 

Regarding this video, I have always been nearby, somtimes uncomfortably close to my pups when I feed them or give them treats to make sure they don't get overly protective. I also do the same with their chew toys. If they showed any signs of aggression, I would take the food/treat/toy away. Once time passes and they do something good to warrant food/treat/toy, I will give it to them and repeat until the aggressive behavior dissipates.

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pharb's picture

But how did you take the treat away if the dog reacts like this dog?

 

My dog does the same, he's a lab, he's normally the sweetest dog, but try and take a piece of food from him and he will just lock his jaws on it and growl and bark and not let go, one time we got him to let go by basically waterboarding him wtih a hose just cos we didn't want him to win (he had picked up this massive pork bone on a walk... they can splinter pretty bad and kill a dog with internal injuries so we really had to get it off him).

 

Now he's also doing it when, for example, we want him to go outside, and he doesn't want to, if you try and forcibly take him by grabbing him by the collar and tugging him out, he'll growl, bark and snap, he hasn't caught me yet, but I fear it's only a matter of time... for the meantime I've been avoiding this issue by just bribing him with a treat whenver I want him to go outside, but when he grabs a piece of food off the street during a walk, I basically need to let him have it or commit to a life or death struggle to get it off him... any advice?

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daftcunt's picture

ATM you are doing the right thing, "bribing him" with something more apetising. However this just managing the individual situation. You have to start practicing with something he likes but not as much as a pork bone and take it from there. 
 

With regards to going outside:

 

You can simply train him to go outside on command and come back in like you would for example to train him to jump over something by tossing a treat. Gradually increase "difficulty" by giving less treats for this until he needs none.

You can also do "target" practice (get hiom to touch your hand with his nose and then follow it until he stands where you want) to move him without physically manipulating him. You will note that once you can tell the dog what you want them to do they will happily comply.

 

If you use aversive methods there is a good chance he will learn that whoever wins this kind of confrontation will get what they want, if he then decides to bite he will "win" at least for a second and then you maybe on a downward spiral.

 

I would suggest you contact a "force free" trainer if you struggle.

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stokkebye's picture

Smack him on the snout and in your deepest meanest voice yell "NO!!!", if he shows any sign of a challenge you grab him by the scruff of his neck and push him to the ground, keep him on the ground immobile till he submits to you, this could take 10-20 min but you will only have to do it once or twice and you'll never have that problem again. Assert your fucking dominance over him, show him he is not the boss! Or you can grab him with both hands wrapped around his snout, yell "no" and hold till he submits.

Do you think in the animal world they have a disscussion and debate about this sort of shit? You think you can debate and discuss it out with your dog? Animals communicate and discuss by body language and violence. Watch a documentary about wolf packs or about mommas raising her pups and see how they communicate with eachother, they snip, bite and snarl at eachother, thats how they communicate, just like how your dog is doing to you, he is saying "bitch, Im the boss here and I'll eat this fucking bone whether you like it or not". When you slap him on the snout and yell "no" like you fucking mean it, your dog will understand that shit! 

I had to do that with my dog and my chickens, I caught him cornering the chickens and trying to bite them when I was inside and saw him on my cctv camera, I pinned him down on the ground and let the chickens walk over him and if he even looked at the chicken I smack him and yelled "no!". After that he stayed clear of my chickens, even when I wasnt there. 

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Bobbob's picture

With a big dog such as your labrador, that's a matter of discipline and litterally keeping him on a short leash, but IFF (if and only if) it ever came down to *a matter of life and death for the dog*, e.g. dog literrally starts eating a chocolate bar someone carelessly discarded, you need to remember that most mammals have an emergency open-mouth-and-eyes-wide button. Years ago I saw my grandpa raise his lab's tail and jab a thumb onto (not in) the butthole (those old-world tricks. Poppop was well into his seventies with a bad leg at this point and couldn't afford to be in a tug of war so the dispute had to end quickly).  Sure enough, the dog dropped the food item right away. I know this is extreme, but given how toxic chocolate is to dogs, it most likely saved the animal's life. [I'm sure someone from above or below can provide the necessary written informed consent documentation for the dog as well as recommendation for some strawberry flavoured lube to make sure things stay respectable,.. ffs]. For now though, tighten that leash with a clear vocal 'no' as needed.  Hitch him to a post in the center of the yard when it's time for him to do his business. He'll figure out that you've put him in a time-out and be more responsive in future when you call him back into the house. Good luck!

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stokkebye's picture

Yeah dude, I watched that happen in a dog fight once, the owner jammed his thumbs in his dogs rear and the dog stopped dead and tried to run away. It was funny as hell!

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n0val33t's picture

If you have done things correctly all you have to say is "slipp" that's Norwegian for "let go".... fatty tuna, chocolate.. don't matter. Granted when your outside the dog changes brains and you might have to go in there and pry a chicken bone. Most dogs change mentality outside the door unless you want a zombie dog .... that totally obedient broken dog with the 1000 yard stare. 
 

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phytonadione's picture

I've never had a dog I owned bare it's teeth or growl at me but as a dog owner you can't be afraid of a dog bite. Just take it away. You aren't in a life and death with a venemous snake. You need to get them comfortable when they are pups. If you happen to adopt a dog with behavioral issues, make sure you can handle nipping from that dog breed. Keep them on a leash, even indoors, if you have to.

 

I had a girlfriend whose Golden had a bad habit of biting people's hands or sleeves. It was not with malicious intent but would regularly break skin. I broke him of his bad habit by letting him come in for the bite and making a fist at the last second in it's mouth. After that he never tried to nip or bite a hand again. I did end up with scratches on my hand but it was a small price to pay compared to him possibly inadvertently hurting the neighborhood children.

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n0val33t's picture

The first hard bite from a pup, make a sound and go away. In the puppy mind, it's like telling your mother you want to be an artist.

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skeptoid's picture

You don't have to strike him - you just have to tap him on the neck and use a master's tone. I has the same effect but without the physical violence. He may respect you and follow your commands, but if he every found himself on his own he might take what he's learned from you and apply it to other people and dogs with unfortunate results. Dogs understand a certain amount of physical contact as a form of communication - when you strike your dog you are communicating simultaneously that they must obey you and that obediance and submission can be achieved through the infliction of physical pain, which is a notion you want to train "out of him" rather than "into him".

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Bobbob's picture

It's a dog, Daf, let's not humanize it. At times it's important to reinforce the dog and master relationship. Dogs aren't looking for a democratic society and actually relax and behave the best when they know someone else is the alpha.

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daftcunt's picture

Stop babbling shit you heard on a TV programme please.

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Bobbob's picture

Lols, come-on. Is that gonna be your goto move whenever someone disagrees with you on a subject you're passionate about?  Relax, I don't get my perspective from Cesar or whoever you guys watch on the learning channel. In fact I've looked at your photo many times and wondered if you'd be any good for bird hunting.

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daftcunt's picture

No, I made my argument in 2 further replies above (put into laymen's terms), looking at the time stamps you completely disregarded these and came up with your "brilliant reasoning", unwilling to even start a reasonable conversation, this is definitaly not my "goto" if someone disagrees on a topic I deal wirth daily on a professional basis but rather with the likes of you......

 

Note that my initial reply was to the SN retard (and only to him), I actually had a conversation with him (he actually asked for my advice) several months back on the topic and tried to discourage him from getting a dog then, for various reasons.

 

By the looks of it I was right but failed.

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Bobbob's picture

You mean other than those 2 replies (well, one reply and a copy-paste) where you dismissed what I said outright cause we disagree? heheh. Yeah, I read those. I enjoyed the one where you said dogs are incapable of bad behaviour. If you're going to start citing timestamps, I'll just concede that you're more invested than I. You got this.

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skeptoid's picture

Why don't you just correct his terminology and ask him to use the term parental figure or master?

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skeptoid's picture

I think those bones must not have been boiled or at least still have the scent of blood on them. Don't give your dog anything with a blood scent on it or this is the reaction you can expect if you try to take it away.

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n0val33t's picture

That's the dumbest thing you could do, chances are exponentially high it would backfire and it's literally animal abuse. Why would you even tell anyone this? "he was in trouble and didn't want to listen and snipped when I tried to grab him" why do you think that is? You're telling everyone you abuse your dog on a regular basis, your the worst kind of scum and seem to be proud of it at that. 

 

Fuck you man, fuck you

 

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Bobbob's picture

oh geez, here we go. Stokkebye, maybe clarify what you mean by a 'smack'. I think I know what you mean, but you seem to have triggered flashbacks of people's drunken fathers at Thanksgiving time.

 

For the record, I'm not advocating animal abuse, but I agree with Stokkebye above that laughing when the dog tries to bite you is a mistake. An open-fingered and deliberately restrained swipe across the dog's maw, especially during the early formative period is enough to make your canine chum say, 'oh shit, master can do that with his front paws?' and maybe rethink the dynamics of the relationship. i.e. those fingers aren't hot dogs. No harm. No bruising. Except for your pupper's ego.

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daftcunt's picture

And, again, please stop babbling shit they tell you on a TV show like you are an expert.

n0val33t is absolutely spot on!

 

 

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Bobbob's picture

Sheeeit, bud. That really is your go-to when someone disagrees.  I'm sorry...  Hell, maybe take a doggy chill pill... or a laxative or something.

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stokkebye's picture

Exactly, Im not talking about punching the damn dog, just a fast open hand slap across the snout or head, gets his attention and doesnt hurt 'em. FFS the dogs he plays with hurt each other more than a fucking slap! My girlfriend takes the same approach as those above(go figure, LOL) and he doesnt listen to her when it matters, I tell her would you rather have him listen when you yell STOP when he is chasing a deer or rabbit into the road with a car coming or would you rather do it your way and have him get run over? I got a lot of friends that never smack their dogs and it fuckign shows, their dogs are little bastards. They bring their dogs over to play and they yell at their dogs and their dogs ignore them, I yell at my dog and he stops immediately and comes when I call him. 

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n0val33t's picture

"My dog bit me once, I forgot what had happened but he was in trouble and didn't want to listen and snipped when I tried to grab him. That 100 lb doggy was up in the air by his neck regretting his bite pretty fucking fast. Never tested me or bit me again after that. This little shit should have been slapped into the next universe. You can't let a dog bite an owner like that, imagine a kid trying to grab the dogs toy or bone and bites."

You ever read your own shit?

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stokkebye's picture

I remember now what is was that happened, one of my rabbits got loose in the yard and my dog was trying to kill it, being all amped up as he was when I tried to grab him he snapped at me. Yeah, I was amped up too, so I picked him up by the scruff of his neck and put him in the back porch, which was like 5 ft away. This is after like 10 min of chasing him around as he chased the rabbit, and him biting the fucking rabbit making it squeal, along with my 5 yr old there trying to save her rabbit. I dont think he realized he was snapping at me in the heat of the moment, and Im not saying anyone should do that, Im saying just smack em on the snout and say no. Goddamn dude, grow a fuckin pair and go hunting or some manly shit, fucking pussy! COming from someone who has Ermey as his avatar is weird, you think Ermey would call you a pussy? LOL Oorah Motherfucka!

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n0val33t's picture

That's f.. convenient and absolutely something you forget :P 

Get out of here! How about you grow a pair and stick to the story, not backpaddle like som fucking pussy, to use your words. Clearly hit a nerve huh... and yeah fuck you! :P

 

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skeptoid's picture

My dog bit me once - I was putting on his collar and simultaneously dropped something fragile (a camera) and tried to grab it before it hit the floor. I crouched really fast to do this and in the process inadvertently slammed Ziggy's jaw/nose into the floor. His reaction was an instantaneous bite that caught my pinky and drew blood. I did not admonish him. I apologized for my clumsiness, understanding that a dog is an animal and is therefore limited in terms of his ability to comprehend nuance and control certain impulses. There are certain situations where your dog can bite you and the failure is utterly yours, not the dog's. My relationship with Ziggy is very important to me - I want him to understand that sometimes when things go wrong it's not his fault. It's mine.

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Pdub's picture

The first video is great because you can hear Taco say "Don't" and "My Bone!"

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Bobbob's picture

I lol'd

:-)

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jdt73's picture

put a bark collar on that mutt

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stokkebye's picture

LOL

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