There are ancient Indian texts that have pictures of those. Including what appears to be a flight manual mapping how the controls work.
The UFO's may in fact be supressed ancient human technology.
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Richard Dolan has a Breakaway Civilization theory - possibly multiple breakaways, including possibly one more modern and less ancient. Yeah it's an interesting idea. It gets more interesting when you see how it dovetails with the revival of the validity of catastrophism in the study of Earth history and events that could have zeroed previous civilizations, with just a few survivors.
It would be interesting if the UFOs the Navy sees are modern reverse engineered from ancient craft found buried in the rock.
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The breakaway civilization. You mean Tartaria?
There are many fragments of history with few fleshed out stories.
The mayan Calender. The Shambalah, The tower of Babel, Sumeria, Giants, dragons and leviathans and civilization before the great flood of Noah's time. And many others.
These flying machines could be the elite's joyrides that they play with.
Apparently one has been sighted in the past near a U.S. aircraft carrier. Perhaps emissaries from the elite were holding important meetings out on the ocean where few would know.
One thing I am growing increasingly certain about is that I don't believe we ever went to space. I don't think we can.
From a biblical standpoint, it doesn't make sense that we can leave Earth, and their are clues that the Earth is not round.
I'm not fully subscribed to flat Earth theory, but I am open minded to any evidence that emerges. and I can see powerful benefits to lying about something as trivial as the Earth's shape and our true capacity for travel.
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The idea that all of the footage we've ever seen, all of the astronauts - that all of that is a grand conspiracy - too far fetched for me. I don't take the Bible literally - it wasn't intended to describe the world in perfect material detail. That's not it's purpose, if it can be said to have a singular purpose, for me anyway.
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There is no way to verify that any of the footage is authentic.
All we can verify with our own eyes is that rockets took off. Landing craft came back.
Everything in the early days could be done on sets.
These days CGI. Iv'e seen a lot of "bloopers" that weren't meant to occur or be noticed.
Things like card board doors on mooncraft that bent in when closed. Wind in zero oxygen areas, imporerly executed low gravity etc.
The benefits to lying about such things? In war time it can misdirect your enemies of your military capabilities.
Space travel can be used to aid in discrediting religion.
Distractions for the masses and thought shaping. Pre suasion and persuasion.
If you can get away with lying about huge things like that, you can completely shape people's perception of reality and guide them through any narratives you wish to devise.
If the truth is you cannot leave the Earth no matter what you do or invent. Such as an invisible barrier, or a reality dome blankets the planet like "truman show" but you lie to people and say that you can leave the planet with the right tools. There is a lot of ways you can control people's thinking.
It's also funny how as all of this knowledge becomes unveiled, and as many less understood ideas about science and history become more common and more front and center. As people begin to question literally EVERYTHING, All of a sudden a massive global system of control starts clamping down on everyone's daily life. Almost like a panic response.
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Yes but almost ALL of the people involved would have to be IN on it, including the astronauts - this is a case where you have individual citizens participating. Are they duped somehow or co-conspirators? At a certain point with this sort of thing you end up wandering into a place where you are presuming guilt until innocence is proven. I've seen no evidence, only claims. When I look at what purports to be evidence, it's atrocious - usually the analysis of things like footage of astronauts in space is an excercise in Dunning-Kruger mixed with self-delusion. All of that stuff is awful, so without anything solid I can't go with "Prove to me this isn't all a grand conspiracy."
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I think we can agree that the Vaccine's are not what are being advertised.
We can agree that at least some elections are fraudulent.
Look at how effectively they have stamped out truth tellers vs the massive impact both of these incidents have on every aspect of society.
The school system keeps records of everything about students. From there you can make educated guesses about who is ammenable to such causes. From school you have to apply to universities. That's one part of control. The worst candidates don't get in. No special programs = no special job.
After university you have to apply to certain jobs or even better pre requisit jobs. Another opportunity to screen.
Then you apply to Nasa. Another opportunity to screen.
Then finally only a small number of candidates actually get to participate in missions. There they are told as much as they need to know, so by the end the amount of squealers is narrowed to very few and easily contained through either bribery, blackmail, or if they squeal anyway an army of "experts" who will jump to defend the establishment and ridicule the truth tellers as insane, illegitimate, misunderstanding the science or quacks.
If you sit and really think about what you need for proof hard enough, you will spot all of the areas that can be intercepted and changed to transform the results with enough effort and resources.
You asked me once why I post MAG Bitter truth videos.
I don't agree with everything he says. In fact I could watch a 30 minute video and dismiss almost all of it. But in that video he might make one singular point that will make me look up and say "Hmm... Go on..."
What I appreciate about him, is not the theories he has so much as the virtue of questioning EVERYTHING. He takes NOTHING for granted.
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Yes but all of what you wrote is nothing more than a speculative hypothesis - certain mechanisms exist to where a party could attempt such a thing, but all of the evidence at hand points to the complete opposite of this speculation and there is no evidence to support the speculation. Not even stories. Not a single loose lip, not a single slip, and moutains of contrary evidence disproving the speculation.
Given the available evidence, it's much more likely in my mind that we went to space, we went to the moon, and there is knowledge derived from these missions that has not been shared with the public at large. There is enough strangeness in the available evidence to make such speculations interesting to me, but the "we never went to space" thing, which dovetails with flat earch, is a speculative house of cards that amounts to "could be true - prove it's not a conspiracy." No one can really do anything with that - I see it often linked to a literalist and somewhat absolutist interpretation of the Bible and Christianity that I don't share.
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I suppose the question I should ask is. What qualifies as evidence to you personally on the matter of space travel that is not something you have seen on a screen, read in a book, or heard from a person?
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What else could there be other than going myself? The view that nothing is real lest that which I can sample directly is not something I share - I know where it comes from and if it had been the dominant mode of science we wouldn't be anywhere as advanced as we are today, we wouldn't have the regression of poverty and many of the opportunities we see today. So much of the reality we live in today is based on theoretical knowledge verified by experimentation. You didn't conduct those experiments - yet they confirmed theories about our material reality.
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Would it be presumptious of me to say that an element of trust is required for many of these things?
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Cool effect on the cube. Unfortunately it slides back and forth perfect as the camera panned up and down, so I think it's a reflection.
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(Old Spike)
There are ancient Indian texts that have pictures of those. Including what appears to be a flight manual mapping how the controls work.
The UFO's may in fact be supressed ancient human technology.
(Old Spike)
Richard Dolan has a Breakaway Civilization theory - possibly multiple breakaways, including possibly one more modern and less ancient. Yeah it's an interesting idea. It gets more interesting when you see how it dovetails with the revival of the validity of catastrophism in the study of Earth history and events that could have zeroed previous civilizations, with just a few survivors.
It would be interesting if the UFOs the Navy sees are modern reverse engineered from ancient craft found buried in the rock.
(Old Spike)
The breakaway civilization. You mean Tartaria?
There are many fragments of history with few fleshed out stories.
The mayan Calender. The Shambalah, The tower of Babel, Sumeria, Giants, dragons and leviathans and civilization before the great flood of Noah's time. And many others.
These flying machines could be the elite's joyrides that they play with.
Apparently one has been sighted in the past near a U.S. aircraft carrier. Perhaps emissaries from the elite were holding important meetings out on the ocean where few would know.
One thing I am growing increasingly certain about is that I don't believe we ever went to space. I don't think we can.
From a biblical standpoint, it doesn't make sense that we can leave Earth, and their are clues that the Earth is not round.
I'm not fully subscribed to flat Earth theory, but I am open minded to any evidence that emerges. and I can see powerful benefits to lying about something as trivial as the Earth's shape and our true capacity for travel.
(Old Spike)
The idea that all of the footage we've ever seen, all of the astronauts - that all of that is a grand conspiracy - too far fetched for me. I don't take the Bible literally - it wasn't intended to describe the world in perfect material detail. That's not it's purpose, if it can be said to have a singular purpose, for me anyway.
(Old Spike)
There is no way to verify that any of the footage is authentic.
All we can verify with our own eyes is that rockets took off. Landing craft came back.
Everything in the early days could be done on sets.
These days CGI. Iv'e seen a lot of "bloopers" that weren't meant to occur or be noticed.
Things like card board doors on mooncraft that bent in when closed. Wind in zero oxygen areas, imporerly executed low gravity etc.
The benefits to lying about such things? In war time it can misdirect your enemies of your military capabilities.
Space travel can be used to aid in discrediting religion.
Distractions for the masses and thought shaping. Pre suasion and persuasion.
If you can get away with lying about huge things like that, you can completely shape people's perception of reality and guide them through any narratives you wish to devise.
If the truth is you cannot leave the Earth no matter what you do or invent. Such as an invisible barrier, or a reality dome blankets the planet like "truman show" but you lie to people and say that you can leave the planet with the right tools. There is a lot of ways you can control people's thinking.
It's also funny how as all of this knowledge becomes unveiled, and as many less understood ideas about science and history become more common and more front and center. As people begin to question literally EVERYTHING, All of a sudden a massive global system of control starts clamping down on everyone's daily life. Almost like a panic response.
(Old Spike)
Yes but almost ALL of the people involved would have to be IN on it, including the astronauts - this is a case where you have individual citizens participating. Are they duped somehow or co-conspirators? At a certain point with this sort of thing you end up wandering into a place where you are presuming guilt until innocence is proven. I've seen no evidence, only claims. When I look at what purports to be evidence, it's atrocious - usually the analysis of things like footage of astronauts in space is an excercise in Dunning-Kruger mixed with self-delusion. All of that stuff is awful, so without anything solid I can't go with "Prove to me this isn't all a grand conspiracy."
(Old Spike)
I think we can agree that the Vaccine's are not what are being advertised.
We can agree that at least some elections are fraudulent.
Look at how effectively they have stamped out truth tellers vs the massive impact both of these incidents have on every aspect of society.
The school system keeps records of everything about students. From there you can make educated guesses about who is ammenable to such causes. From school you have to apply to universities. That's one part of control. The worst candidates don't get in. No special programs = no special job.
After university you have to apply to certain jobs or even better pre requisit jobs. Another opportunity to screen.
Then you apply to Nasa. Another opportunity to screen.
Then finally only a small number of candidates actually get to participate in missions. There they are told as much as they need to know, so by the end the amount of squealers is narrowed to very few and easily contained through either bribery, blackmail, or if they squeal anyway an army of "experts" who will jump to defend the establishment and ridicule the truth tellers as insane, illegitimate, misunderstanding the science or quacks.
If you sit and really think about what you need for proof hard enough, you will spot all of the areas that can be intercepted and changed to transform the results with enough effort and resources.
You asked me once why I post MAG Bitter truth videos.
I don't agree with everything he says. In fact I could watch a 30 minute video and dismiss almost all of it. But in that video he might make one singular point that will make me look up and say "Hmm... Go on..."
What I appreciate about him, is not the theories he has so much as the virtue of questioning EVERYTHING. He takes NOTHING for granted.
(Old Spike)
Yes but all of what you wrote is nothing more than a speculative hypothesis - certain mechanisms exist to where a party could attempt such a thing, but all of the evidence at hand points to the complete opposite of this speculation and there is no evidence to support the speculation. Not even stories. Not a single loose lip, not a single slip, and moutains of contrary evidence disproving the speculation.
Given the available evidence, it's much more likely in my mind that we went to space, we went to the moon, and there is knowledge derived from these missions that has not been shared with the public at large. There is enough strangeness in the available evidence to make such speculations interesting to me, but the "we never went to space" thing, which dovetails with flat earch, is a speculative house of cards that amounts to "could be true - prove it's not a conspiracy." No one can really do anything with that - I see it often linked to a literalist and somewhat absolutist interpretation of the Bible and Christianity that I don't share.
(Old Spike)
I suppose the question I should ask is. What qualifies as evidence to you personally on the matter of space travel that is not something you have seen on a screen, read in a book, or heard from a person?
(Old Spike)
What else could there be other than going myself? The view that nothing is real lest that which I can sample directly is not something I share - I know where it comes from and if it had been the dominant mode of science we wouldn't be anywhere as advanced as we are today, we wouldn't have the regression of poverty and many of the opportunities we see today. So much of the reality we live in today is based on theoretical knowledge verified by experimentation. You didn't conduct those experiments - yet they confirmed theories about our material reality.
(Old Spike)
Would it be presumptious of me to say that an element of trust is required for many of these things?
(Old Spike)
Cool effect on the cube. Unfortunately it slides back and forth perfect as the camera panned up and down, so I think it's a reflection.