Public Shaming

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Public Shaming

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Dude's picture

This is where i grew up, that pole on the left is the shame pole, the church used to tie ppl up and then they threw rotten tomatoes and eggs and stuff

Wommelgem Marktplein, schandpaal, waterpomp, Sint-Petrus en Paulus kerk

And that rectangular thing on the right is a water pump to wash the sins and the rotten eggs off

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Sempaliscious's picture

Yeah that's not true..

 

Whilst it's true that when someone IN THE CHURCH (i.e. priest) did something bad/criminal the church would hand them over to the 'government' to be tried and potentially tied to a pillary (like anyone else), the pillary itself was considered to be the wordly part of the punishment. Had nothing to do with atoning for sins. 

 

The square where the pillary is in the photo, next to the church building in Wommelgem seen above, is the public square NOT part of the church property. Like most towns and villages, the town square was in the centre of town next to the church. 

 

There is no Catholic teaching about being pillaried and then washing your sins off at the tap. 

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Dude's picture

You are right about the washing the sins away i made that up, but the rest was true, the church was the law here in the 1500's you had a king a government police but they all deeply respected the church and had a serious overpower back then, the laws where not as refined as they are now we are talking about the middle ages, if the church said tie him up, ppl tied someone up, i wouldent be supprised if they still did beheadings or hanging.

Everyone here feared the church, my family was the first here who went in against them, one of my ancesters was a herbal healer, and one of em was about to be trialed by the CHURCH of being a witch and the ppl defended her, she was more powerfull then the church everyone feared.

And yes for the rest it was a bit like Resident Evil 4 :)

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danmanjones's picture

The video started out well but went downhill when Monica showed up. It's an interesting concept. We no doubt have thousands of years of shame programming built into our DNA. It's been suppressed as society became more nuclear & PC, and now it's being unleashed online.

 

The video makes a good point about it being relentless because it's essentially a one-way system of abuse, lacking personal interaction. The internet seems to have an infinite supply of loud extremists with fucked up ideology who want to fight forever on their team. People just have to deal with it, there's no going back.

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sato's picture

yeah felt the same about the monica bit but thought the rest of it was interesting enough to post.

 

agree that it's a one way system, and that's the biggest problem. in the past the person passing the sentence was always known to the people, and so if they fucked up and it came to light the punishment was unjust they'd be in danger of retribution themselves, so they always had to make sure they weren't mistaken first. this doesn't happen anymore.

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skeptoid's picture

As a child I was bullied pretty intensely for three years in grade school, and was subjected to constant public shaming and ridicule. I let it go at age 10, which has its advantages and disadvantages. I've tried to take advantage of the advantages while doing my best to mitigate the disadvantages. But it's one reason why I post freely about fringe topics that seem to have a legitimate, albeit unexplained, core and frontier topics of consciousness, alternative history, etc. without really caring at all how it's perceived by those who have allowed themselves to be conditioned such that the presentation of certain topics and ideas triggers a programmed negative response designed to leverage the biological social shaming mechanism. Perhaps they weren't given the opportunity of being intensely bullied - it helps.

 

I've also been told by a professional that I'm suspected of having a condition called "Fearless personality" which is nowhere near as cool as it sounds. Causes a lot of problems, but also makes me less susceptible to public shaming.

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danmanjones's picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42NWMluhlfk

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skeptoid's picture

All it means is that I don't respond the same as most people to pain and fear stimuli. Because of this condition I've actually caused permanent damage to my physical body.

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