This a very well made informative video. Thanks for posting.
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The gunpowder residue accumulating into the upper receiver "because it's a direct impigement action" part is a bullshit myth. The vast majority of that fouling comes from chamber blowback and abominationsPiston operated ARsare not free from it. And don't get me started on the delayed blowback rifles.
This was also not what the forward assist was made for or what it is realistically used for. Many even argue that the forward assist is actually a useless feature that will much more likely make things worse than help in the event that something stopped the forward movement of the action. And I mostly agree with that.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
Yep. As I heard an instructor once say about the "forward assist", if the bolt doesn't want to go into battery the dumbest thing you could do is force it.
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What would this rifle be used for other than for some fun on the range or target practice in general? I can't see the necessity for such large magazines when hunting, neither do I consider them to be much use in home protection.
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I don't see any rational reason why this rifle couldn't be used for hunting small deer-sized and smaller game with the right bullets. There are lower capacity magazines available for that rifle so you don't haul around a bulkier magazine for no reason.
The only real reason why people can't imagine this rifle being used for hunting is due to its "exotic" looks. These looks are due to the design and manufacturing process of CNC milling an upper and lower receiver from an aluminium block and affixing a stock and grip on it using more modern techniques such as threads and threaded fasteners that diverge from the more "traditional" way of carving a piece of wood into a stock and fore-end and dropping a barreled action in it. That traditional way comes from the times where manufacturing processes were much more primitive. That's how the first muskets were built. But ultimately for two modern rifles of the same caliber, one being "traditional" and the other not, the bullets that come out of them will be exactly the same and will have the exact same effect at the receiving end.
For example take the Ruger Mini 14:
Uneducated people would say that this is perfectly acceptable for hunting while the AR15 isn't but actually they both are semi auto rifles. Both have "high" capacity magazines available for them. Both of them fire the same cartridge. But the Mini-14 is a "traditional" design of barreled action into wooden stock, which gives it a more traditional appearance that people have associated with hunting. People have to learn to look past appearances when it comes to things like this. This is the biggest source of frustration guns guys have to deal with when it comes to people trying to make gun laws without really understanding what they're doing.
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Well, let's put it this way, they can be used for hunting but would not be the dedicated hunter's first choice. These (and the accessories like bumpstocks) are really made for posers and wannabe Rambos gun aficionados in order to show off on the range or with their mates. Aren't these mostly sold with a 16" barrel? Hunting rifles are more 20-22", are they not?
A rifle is a rifle, whatever the looks of it. I am more interested in performance and fitness for application. But I was in the army where I actually used pistols, fully automatic rifles, machine guns, bazookas and hand grenades. I wouldn't need this kind of penis extension.
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- They most definitely are a dedicated hunter's first choice wherever the law permits.
- Bump fire stock are stupid. The vast majority of people know this and don't own them. Just because it is available on the market for the AR doesn't mean the AR isn't appropriate for hunting. And FYI bump-fire stocks aren't exclusive to AR's. They even make a bump-fire stock for the Mini-14.
- There definitely are posers among the firearm community. "Tactical" looks is definitely something that sells a lot in the gun community but it definitely isn't exclusive to the AR platform and it absolutely does not fully include the AR owner community either. I've seen lever action rifles that made an ordinary AR look tame in comparison. Just because the "tactical" posers exist doesn't mean the gun isn't appropriate for hunting. I make an analogy with Honda Civics and ricers later on about that.
- ARs are available in a wide variety of barrel lengths for all sorts of applications. You can easily get an AR with a 20 inch barrel. Heck you could get one with a 24 inch if you really wanted to (for no real gain really). 16 inch is however usually preferred because it offers a great balance of muzzle velocity for the caliber and weight balance for the shooter. If you REALLY want an extra < 200 fps at the muzzle that bad that probably wouldn't matter you could easily go for a 20 inch barrel. On the other hand I've seen plenty of "traditional" bolt action rifles with 16 inch barrels used as bush guns for hunting too and I don't see people complaining about them.
- You say that you are interested in "performance and fitness for application". The AR is one of the most tested and true platforms available today because of the long service of its equivalent in the military. Commercially-developped semi autos "traditional" rifles are generally crap in comparison. There are also tons of parts available on the market to customize it perfectly to your needs. It is an extremely versatile and reliable platform. I know of many people who are in the military and want to have their own AR for hunting because they have grown very familiar with the platform and respect it greatly.
I see it as the 90's Honda Civic of guns. Dependable, light, nimble, reliable, with a huge market for all sorts of accessories for it, for better or worse. Yes, they also are popular with the ricer community who put fart cans and huge wings on theirs and use them to race on public streets, thinking that they are being cool like the original Fast and Furious movie. But that doesn't mean you can't buy one to use as your A to B grocery getter.
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"They most definitely are a dedicated hunter's first choice wherever the law permits."
Did not know that. I am not a hunter, though.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
What would this rifle be used for other than for some fun on the range or target practice in general?
The quick answer is providing for the defense of life, liberty and country, which is the obligation of every American citizen between the ages of 18 and 45.
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
I can't see the necessity for such large magazines when hunting, neither do I consider them to be much use in home protection.
The right to bear arms has NO RELATIONSHIP with hunting. The right to bear arms is not limted to defense within your home. That said, the AR-15 is literally perfect for home protection. The standard capacity magazine with 30 round ensures fewer reloads. The small bullet it fires dissapates energy very quickly when striking walls and thus does not over-penetrate like handguns and shotguns.
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Oh boy, another offended rant. The government has planes, tanks, drones, machine guns, grenades and much more ammo than you, fucking get over it, it is not an argument it is a ridiculous joke.
I was not asking about the rights but the application, I received an educated and knowledgeable reply from phanto above, at least for the hunting side, you should read it and take the man as a role model.
Are you actually living in a "Lethal Weapon" movie? How many intruders do you expect in your house? 5? 10? 20? 90+% of intruders will hear a gun blasting and flee. A shotgun is way more efficient and smaller in length without the need of good marksmanship in an extreme situation, you should be aware where your family is more or less though, but that goes for any gun.
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AK all day
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I have both and the AK is the one i grab first when naughty bears are on my deck partying. Also, the AK can be broken down with your eyes closed.
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My brother has a Yugo SKS I gave him as a brithday gift years ago. He's now showing interest in acquiring an AK as they use the same ammo. I'm hoping to do what I can to push him to get one sooner rather than later. The rifle range open up March 6th and I hope to get out and start smacking some steel ASAP.
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AK builder , com. Get that beautiful reciever pressed in your garage with the wonderful lack of numbers ;)
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(Old Spike)
This a very well made informative video. Thanks for posting.
(Short Spike)
The gunpowder residue accumulating into the upper receiver "because it's a direct impigement action" part is a bullshit myth. The vast majority of that fouling comes from chamber blowback and
abominationsPiston operated ARs are not free from it. And don't get me started on the delayed blowback rifles.This was also not what the forward assist was made for or what it is realistically used for. Many even argue that the forward assist is actually a useless feature that will much more likely make things worse than help in the event that something stopped the forward movement of the action. And I mostly agree with that.
(Old Spike)
Yep. As I heard an instructor once say about the "forward assist", if the bolt doesn't want to go into battery the dumbest thing you could do is force it.
(Old Spike)
What would this rifle be used for other than for some fun on the range or target practice in general? I can't see the necessity for such large magazines when hunting, neither do I consider them to be much use in home protection.
(Short Spike)
I don't see any rational reason why this rifle couldn't be used for hunting small deer-sized and smaller game with the right bullets. There are lower capacity magazines available for that rifle so you don't haul around a bulkier magazine for no reason.
The only real reason why people can't imagine this rifle being used for hunting is due to its "exotic" looks. These looks are due to the design and manufacturing process of CNC milling an upper and lower receiver from an aluminium block and affixing a stock and grip on it using more modern techniques such as threads and threaded fasteners that diverge from the more "traditional" way of carving a piece of wood into a stock and fore-end and dropping a barreled action in it. That traditional way comes from the times where manufacturing processes were much more primitive. That's how the first muskets were built. But ultimately for two modern rifles of the same caliber, one being "traditional" and the other not, the bullets that come out of them will be exactly the same and will have the exact same effect at the receiving end.
For example take the Ruger Mini 14:
Uneducated people would say that this is perfectly acceptable for hunting while the AR15 isn't but actually they both are semi auto rifles. Both have "high" capacity magazines available for them. Both of them fire the same cartridge. But the Mini-14 is a "traditional" design of barreled action into wooden stock, which gives it a more traditional appearance that people have associated with hunting. People have to learn to look past appearances when it comes to things like this. This is the biggest source of frustration guns guys have to deal with when it comes to people trying to make gun laws without really understanding what they're doing.
(Old Spike)
Well, let's put it this way, they can be used for hunting but would not be the dedicated hunter's first choice. These (and the accessories like bumpstocks) are really made for
posers and wannabe Rambosgun aficionados in order to show off on the range or with their mates. Aren't these mostly sold with a 16" barrel? Hunting rifles are more 20-22", are they not?A rifle is a rifle, whatever the looks of it. I am more interested in performance and fitness for application. But I was in the army where I actually used pistols, fully automatic rifles, machine guns, bazookas and hand grenades. I wouldn't need this kind of penis extension.
(Short Spike)
- They most definitely are a dedicated hunter's first choice wherever the law permits.
- Bump fire stock are stupid. The vast majority of people know this and don't own them. Just because it is available on the market for the AR doesn't mean the AR isn't appropriate for hunting. And FYI bump-fire stocks aren't exclusive to AR's. They even make a bump-fire stock for the Mini-14.
- There definitely are posers among the firearm community. "Tactical" looks is definitely something that sells a lot in the gun community but it definitely isn't exclusive to the AR platform and it absolutely does not fully include the AR owner community either. I've seen lever action rifles that made an ordinary AR look tame in comparison. Just because the "tactical" posers exist doesn't mean the gun isn't appropriate for hunting. I make an analogy with Honda Civics and ricers later on about that.
- ARs are available in a wide variety of barrel lengths for all sorts of applications. You can easily get an AR with a 20 inch barrel. Heck you could get one with a 24 inch if you really wanted to (for no real gain really). 16 inch is however usually preferred because it offers a great balance of muzzle velocity for the caliber and weight balance for the shooter. If you REALLY want an extra < 200 fps at the muzzle that bad that probably wouldn't matter you could easily go for a 20 inch barrel. On the other hand I've seen plenty of "traditional" bolt action rifles with 16 inch barrels used as bush guns for hunting too and I don't see people complaining about them.
- You say that you are interested in "performance and fitness for application". The AR is one of the most tested and true platforms available today because of the long service of its equivalent in the military. Commercially-developped semi autos "traditional" rifles are generally crap in comparison. There are also tons of parts available on the market to customize it perfectly to your needs. It is an extremely versatile and reliable platform. I know of many people who are in the military and want to have their own AR for hunting because they have grown very familiar with the platform and respect it greatly.
I see it as the 90's Honda Civic of guns. Dependable, light, nimble, reliable, with a huge market for all sorts of accessories for it, for better or worse. Yes, they also are popular with the ricer community who put fart cans and huge wings on theirs and use them to race on public streets, thinking that they are being cool like the original Fast and Furious movie. But that doesn't mean you can't buy one to use as your A to B grocery getter.
(Old Spike)
"They most definitely are a dedicated hunter's first choice wherever the law permits."
Did not know that. I am not a hunter, though.
(Old Spike)
What would this rifle be used for other than for some fun on the range or target practice in general?
The quick answer is providing for the defense of life, liberty and country, which is the obligation of every American citizen between the ages of 18 and 45.
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
I can't see the necessity for such large magazines when hunting, neither do I consider them to be much use in home protection.
The right to bear arms has NO RELATIONSHIP with hunting. The right to bear arms is not limted to defense within your home. That said, the AR-15 is literally perfect for home protection. The standard capacity magazine with 30 round ensures fewer reloads. The small bullet it fires dissapates energy very quickly when striking walls and thus does not over-penetrate like handguns and shotguns.
(Old Spike)
Oh boy, another offended rant. The government has planes, tanks, drones, machine guns, grenades and much more ammo than you, fucking get over it, it is not an argument it is a ridiculous joke.
I was not asking about the rights but the application, I received an educated and knowledgeable reply from phanto above, at least for the hunting side, you should read it and take the man as a role model.
Are you actually living in a "Lethal Weapon" movie? How many intruders do you expect in your house? 5? 10? 20? 90+% of intruders will hear a gun blasting and flee. A shotgun is way more efficient and smaller in length without the need of good marksmanship in an extreme situation, you should be aware where your family is more or less though, but that goes for any gun.
(Old Spike)
AK all day
(Short Spike)
I have both and the AK is the one i grab first when naughty bears are on my deck partying. Also, the AK can be broken down with your eyes closed.
(Old Spike)
My brother has a Yugo SKS I gave him as a brithday gift years ago. He's now showing interest in acquiring an AK as they use the same ammo. I'm hoping to do what I can to push him to get one sooner rather than later. The rifle range open up March 6th and I hope to get out and start smacking some steel ASAP.
(Short Spike)
AK builder , com. Get that beautiful reciever pressed in your garage with the wonderful lack of numbers ;)