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daftcunt's picture

Amazing, a "doctor" not understanding pandemic.

 

Guy is a religious nutter anyway so I wouldn't pay too much attention to him (although the general idea of less government is not so bad). 

 

The US is suffering the equivalent of a 9/11 death toll every other day thanks to ignoring expert advice. Great job, well done!

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skeptoid's picture

Did you hear the death rates 25%? Why do you even bother to comment on posts like this. Someone like you has no business being anywhere near Ron Paul. It's miles above your head.

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n0val33t's picture

Let's just acknowledge that most intellectuals with age they become .... well not optimal. 

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Dagambit's picture

Covid:

90 million cases, 50 million recovered, 1.8 million dead (supposedly)

 

Less than 2% death toll.   You have a 98% chace to live through Covid. Where are all the flu cases? If you have flu and covid is it a covid death? what about a heart attack and covid, still covid death? CDC doesn't think so, I trust their numbers and it is even lower than I am showing which I got from a quick internet seach of cases wordwide. But keep listening to President elect Biden and the news.  

 

P.S. I admire Ron Paul still. 

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daftcunt's picture

No, don't listen to Biden, listen to experts (amd to politicians only if they have listened to the experts), which are unanimously of the same opinion (give or take some minor details) and pretty much always have been throughout the pandemic. 

 

The figures you throw into the discussion are +/- correct however they do not reflect the severity of the overall situation. In the US every two days there is a 911 death toll.

 

Again, don't listen to me, check what the experts have to say (those 95+% that are in consensus in the scientific world, not those that say what you want to hear). 

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1st of all: It is a disease, not a war/terrorist attack/whaterver.

 

Saying something like 911 death toll doesn't show actual numbers. When they say Obama bombed more people than Bush and used drones 10% more to do it. If only 20 drones were used, that is 2 more whole drones. 

 

Expecting to save everyone's life from a disease is not practical, tragic yes, but lets talk rationality. The FLU has been around for decades and even with the vacination we still lose 60k people a year, EXCEPT in 2020;  Imagine that? I think Covid on its own isn't that dangerous to 99% of the people, but we mixed in with other diseases, or contangions it becomes more severe. Much like AIDS, which doesn't kill you, just opens the door for other things to kill you. 

 

for the record 2,996 is the death toll on 911.  <-- According to Google; also according to google the US has 395k deaths from corona. 

At our current pace of what you report, every 2 days being the timer. 

Within 6 months we would have another 269k, that is highly unlikely, still possible though. 

 

Again recovery rate is what is important, mitigation (vaccination to vunerable) is top priority. Not worth taking away freedom for something that doesn't kill 98% of the population. 

 

Since we are talking about what the experts are saying here you go:

Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.  

 

source: https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-t...

 

Again with a vaccine. 

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"Saying something like 911 death toll doesn't show actual numbers. When they say Obama bombed more people than Bush and used drones 10% more to do it. If only 20 drones were used, that is 2 more whole drones." 

 

  • Fair enough current covid deaths per day in the US 2-3000 people

 

 

"Expecting to save everyone's life from a disease is not practical, tragic yes, but lets talk rationality."

 

  • This is neither intended nor expected, nobody could promise that and nobody has 

 

"The FLU has been around for decades and even with the vacination we still lose 60k people a year, EXCEPT in 2020;  Imagine that? I think Covid on its own isn't that dangerous to 99% of the people, but we mixed in with other diseases, or contangions it becomes more severe. Much like AIDS, which doesn't kill you, just opens the door for other things to kill you."

 

  • Comparing the flu to covid is a red herring.
  • In 2020 less people died of the flu because in part flu vulnerable people died of covid and a lot of precautions taken for covid also limited the flu infections. 
  • You can easily get a very good estimate of covid related deaths comparing the 5 year monthly average deaths to 2020 monthly deaths.

 

 

"for the record 2,996 is the death toll on 911.  <-- According to Google; also according to google the US has 395k deaths from corona."

 

  • So I stand corrected it is one 911 per day

 

"Again recovery rate is what is important, mitigation (vaccination to vunerable) is top priority. Not worth taking away freedom for something that doesn't kill 98% of the population."

 

  • Recovery rate is not that important as far as the measures taken are concerned, clogging up the emergency rooms for covid and other illness is. Mitigations are also social distancing, wearing masks and (partial) lockdowns. This all works from a biological level.
  • The governments then have to decide which measures they introduce weighing up whether it is more benefitial to introduce harsh measures (like in Europe, including sweden btw) for a short period of time or doing little or nothing and suffering the consequences for a longer amount of time. Simple really.
  • ATM most governments appear to be in consensus that harsher measures seem to work better in the long run.

 

 

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