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daftcunt's picture

Amazing, a "doctor" not understanding pandemic.

 

Guy is a religious nutter anyway so I wouldn't pay too much attention to him (although the general idea of less government is not so bad). 

 

The US is suffering the equivalent of a 9/11 death toll every other day thanks to ignoring expert advice. Great job, well done!

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skeptoid's picture

Did you hear the death rates 25%? Why do you even bother to comment on posts like this. Someone like you has no business being anywhere near Ron Paul. It's miles above your head.

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n0val33t's picture

Let's just acknowledge that most intellectuals with age they become .... well not optimal. 

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Dagambit's picture

Covid:

90 million cases, 50 million recovered, 1.8 million dead (supposedly)

 

Less than 2% death toll.   You have a 98% chace to live through Covid. Where are all the flu cases? If you have flu and covid is it a covid death? what about a heart attack and covid, still covid death? CDC doesn't think so, I trust their numbers and it is even lower than I am showing which I got from a quick internet seach of cases wordwide. But keep listening to President elect Biden and the news.  

 

P.S. I admire Ron Paul still. 

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daftcunt's picture

No, don't listen to Biden, listen to experts (amd to politicians only if they have listened to the experts), which are unanimously of the same opinion (give or take some minor details) and pretty much always have been throughout the pandemic. 

 

The figures you throw into the discussion are +/- correct however they do not reflect the severity of the overall situation. In the US every two days there is a 911 death toll.

 

Again, don't listen to me, check what the experts have to say (those 95+% that are in consensus in the scientific world, not those that say what you want to hear). 

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1st of all: It is a disease, not a war/terrorist attack/whaterver.

 

Saying something like 911 death toll doesn't show actual numbers. When they say Obama bombed more people than Bush and used drones 10% more to do it. If only 20 drones were used, that is 2 more whole drones. 

 

Expecting to save everyone's life from a disease is not practical, tragic yes, but lets talk rationality. The FLU has been around for decades and even with the vacination we still lose 60k people a year, EXCEPT in 2020;  Imagine that? I think Covid on its own isn't that dangerous to 99% of the people, but we mixed in with other diseases, or contangions it becomes more severe. Much like AIDS, which doesn't kill you, just opens the door for other things to kill you. 

 

for the record 2,996 is the death toll on 911.  <-- According to Google; also according to google the US has 395k deaths from corona. 

At our current pace of what you report, every 2 days being the timer. 

Within 6 months we would have another 269k, that is highly unlikely, still possible though. 

 

Again recovery rate is what is important, mitigation (vaccination to vunerable) is top priority. Not worth taking away freedom for something that doesn't kill 98% of the population. 

 

Since we are talking about what the experts are saying here you go:

Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.  

 

source: https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-t...

 

Again with a vaccine. 

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daftcunt's picture

"Saying something like 911 death toll doesn't show actual numbers. When they say Obama bombed more people than Bush and used drones 10% more to do it. If only 20 drones were used, that is 2 more whole drones." 

 

  • Fair enough current covid deaths per day in the US 2-3000 people

 

 

"Expecting to save everyone's life from a disease is not practical, tragic yes, but lets talk rationality."

 

  • This is neither intended nor expected, nobody could promise that and nobody has 

 

"The FLU has been around for decades and even with the vacination we still lose 60k people a year, EXCEPT in 2020;  Imagine that? I think Covid on its own isn't that dangerous to 99% of the people, but we mixed in with other diseases, or contangions it becomes more severe. Much like AIDS, which doesn't kill you, just opens the door for other things to kill you."

 

  • Comparing the flu to covid is a red herring.
  • In 2020 less people died of the flu because in part flu vulnerable people died of covid and a lot of precautions taken for covid also limited the flu infections. 
  • You can easily get a very good estimate of covid related deaths comparing the 5 year monthly average deaths to 2020 monthly deaths.

 

 

"for the record 2,996 is the death toll on 911.  <-- According to Google; also according to google the US has 395k deaths from corona."

 

  • So I stand corrected it is one 911 per day

 

"Again recovery rate is what is important, mitigation (vaccination to vunerable) is top priority. Not worth taking away freedom for something that doesn't kill 98% of the population."

 

  • Recovery rate is not that important as far as the measures taken are concerned, clogging up the emergency rooms for covid and other illness is. Mitigations are also social distancing, wearing masks and (partial) lockdowns. This all works from a biological level.
  • The governments then have to decide which measures they introduce weighing up whether it is more benefitial to introduce harsh measures (like in Europe, including sweden btw) for a short period of time or doing little or nothing and suffering the consequences for a longer amount of time. Simple really.
  • ATM most governments appear to be in consensus that harsher measures seem to work better in the long run.

 

 

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Dagambit's picture

Thought I would do an update it is almost a month later.

3k deaths per 2 days roughly was the estimate.

 

Yup that seems to hold: We are at 495k deaths in the US as of right now, according to the CDC. 

 

BUT and a very big BUT (this is important)

 

Where are the deaths? Again saying we are losing a 911 everyday, turned out to be true but is that just fear mongering? we have 330 million people in the US (that are citizens), so that is a very small number. Also, NEW York and California's numbers haven't risen by that much, is this just good policy? or mask wearing? Nope, Texas hasn't gone up much either and we stopped wearing masks for the most part a few months ago. Arizona the same. 

 

What we are seeing is, Covid spreading and reaching more people throughout the US. 

 

So, .0001%  of the population a day isn't a shit ton of deaths. Was going to post the news freaking out of about this but can't find a clip now that Biden is in. That is strange, it seems your statemnet Daftcunt is still true, but the overexaggeration and hyper inflated language doesn't seem to be needed anymore. 

 

/shurgs, oh well. 

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daftcunt's picture

Daily deaths are between 3-5k daily new cases in the US are reducing it seems (can't wait for the conspiracy theorists to blame the cabal for this now that Biden is in charge) so whatever measures are in place it seems to be working.

 

Again the measures are soas not to overflow emergency rooms, as already happened but people forget....

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What chart or anything I said has you believing that the numbers are going down. For fucks sake even when i agree with you on the death count you reverse positions with no evidence. 100 day lockdown and mask mandiates, it will stay the same. When the mandiates are lifted more people will die, which means more leftist votes. Get it? Because the dead vote democrat, sometimes multiple times in a single election. No proof needed, i just say stuff too. But I can provide it if needed, confirmed by both sides of the isle but no one cares because "it isn't enough to change the election results" is the offical statement from the left for the last 30 years. 

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daftcunt's picture

According to Johns Hopkins website figures went down when I wrote my reply....

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Dagambit's picture

So, when it re-spikes... is it Biden's fault?  Just wanting clarification. 

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daftcunt's picture

This will depend on the efficiency of the measures that are taken, now, wouldn't it. So it is too early to say. 

This also will be distorted by the vaccination efforts should the vaccines not lose efficiency with the mutations.

 

What we can say already is that Biden was not

  • ignoring the virus
  • downplaying the effects
  • promoting inefficient, unproven medication, at the same time not encourage the use of masks
  • abolishing the pandemic response unit
  • more interested in blaming others for the situation rather than resolving it
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n0val33t's picture

We have thousands more or less living dead on respirators. We cut all elective surgery, we have cancer patients in a 20-day widow being declined life-saving treatment all around the world. Health services are forced to engage in triage. If I got a treatable tumour today, I would have no option but to live it out and die. There is simply no room..... 

Then we have long covid, by the time this is over we are going to have people struggling to get a glass of water without help. We got top of the top when it comes to endurance athletes in this country just grind to a halt. No hospitalisation, just "long covid" these are people push trough shit that no normal human cant withstand... when they hit their barrier they punch through even that. Now... they have a hard time just watching TV. It's not just about mortality. It's the fucking staggering numbers of functional people coming to a complete standstill. 

Death would be easier to cope with. It's about grasping the whole picture... having more than one thought in your mind helps.

We have a backlog of untold numbers that would be dead by now due to other factors and they will die. Once this epidemic is resolved you're going to see a massive jump in mortally. Heat attacks and strokes foremost. Suicides are going to pick up again. Un-discovered terminal conditions through the roof. 

So what is the death toll?... Should we go Brazil on everyone and send em out to float? OR China ... those who come out alive are "treated" That's what they did in Wuhan, just bunched em up and left em alone. We could do that,,,,

This isn't politics it's who we are as humans!

 

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