If This Was Your City...

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subroutine's picture

suggestive questions - now ? eh ?

 

 

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skeptoid's picture

You are more than willing to entertain the idea of provocateurs and staged provocation orchestrated by the authority Under protest. It happened in Syria and it's even happened here in Canada. It happened in Seattle. so I'm sure that there are legitimate protesters and provocateurs engaging in all kinds of stupid shit. This is what it looks like when a population loses its sense of security. Order begins to break down into chaos and I think that all of this is going to a very bad place. You call the protesters HK antifa but I don't shift my position on the political Spectrum based on where I am geographically located in a particular point in time. There are principles that I hold dear and the Chinese communist government represents an authority that's very powerful that is committedly set against those principles. If I was in HK I would have probably gotten out by now. 

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Ploppy's picture

I was an eyewitness to the event in the video. I can not say for sure if these people were mainland police dressed up as protesters or not. But it’s very suspicious. You see. There was a scedualed protest at the airport that night. This station is the final stop before the airport. The airport itself is located on an island with only one 2 bridges that connects to it. The police allowed the protesters to assemble. And then they closed down all escaperouts. The bridges completely filled with police. ( I saw this myself ) So no busses and no trains. There are ferries. But the riot police were waiting for the protesters at the ferry stops. They even went out to a remote island that had a stop. All the locals came out and shouted profanities at the police. The police had the perfect plan. All the “rioters” in one place with no escape. However, news of the genius trap spread quickly. Not many people in HK have private cars. But many of those who had any form of transport organised what have been known as the Hong Kong Dunkirk. They drove in mass out to the airport and collected the kids. It’s was absolutely beautiful. 

So, was this an act of mindless vandalism from the protesters. Or was this organised by the police. The protesters had nothing to gain from shutting down the MTR station. The police on the other hand....

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Ploppy's picture

Link regarding the evacuation 

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3771052

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lawngnome's picture

: )

 

 

Resistance to unjust oppression is ALWAYS good to see. 

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danmanjones's picture

The mental backflips people do to support these little shits are hilarious.

Subroutine: "Not fair, you're being suggestive"

Skeptoid: "These people are probably being paid by the commies to look bad...my principles are anti-communist and something about Syria"

Lawngnome: "These people can do whatever they like because oppression"

 

Pure gold.

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skeptoid's picture

Perhaps you should invest that gold in the Chinese social credit system.

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danmanjones's picture

Genius plan. Investing in government policies is totally a thing. Just like the Social Credit system that hasn't been launched yet. That big brain of yours must weigh a tonne.

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lawngnome's picture
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"help with the orders on the train and at the station"

- gives a clue that the English translation is typical Chingrish.

 

Here's one of several posters I've taken photos of since being in China - it was at the UFC venue so I guess they're making sure there aren't any fights like what sometimes happens at these events in other countries...

I relly don't know what to make of the train announcement. I've taken a few high speed trains & subways since being here & you're lucky if there's English to announce the stops so that one is weird in a few ways. You can smoke everywhere in China, just not on public transport. In NZ I've been asked to stop smoking a fucking vape in a restaurant. In Japan you can't smoke on public streets but it's fine in cafes/bars/restaurants.

 

China is loose in a lot of ways. The driving is chaotic & you see some pretty crazy shit...

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lawngnome's picture

That twitter video is from 2018, saying the credit system is in place, btw.

 

It's freaky stuff and we feel bad for those living under such scrutiny & party brainwashing, It's not good for the soul. 

 

You know those forced mourners & crowds you see in North Korea?...   That's not too far off from Chinese sheeple's mindset. But instead of sucking Kim dick, you all are sucking CCP dick. 

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danmanjones's picture

So are you claiming that China's Social Credit system was active in 2018?

 

Have some balls and make a claim. Don't talk about brainwashing when you're trying to push half-baked conspiracy theory, it's as dumb as it is ironic.

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Okay so here's a funny story:

I'm on a train going from Hunan to Hebei and we didn't get 1st class tix this time :(

Anyway I heard a similar message, it was only warning of smoking & using hairspray & mentioned personal credit and followed up by saying it could mean you might not be able to get a train ticket for 180 days.

During the announcement a train official walked by me while I was smoking my vape & had the typical based Chinese look. In NZ everywhere you can't smoke you can't really vape either. Some cafes may tolerate it but I've been asked to quit it in my "free" country (in China almost all places are smoker friendly).

 

I don't need to read that wikipedia article. I've read the policy paper & keep reasonably up to date with what it's about. Wikipedia would be quoting a bunch of disinfo articles, there are loads of them. Guess you don't feel inclined to state whether you believe it's already in place or not, as you implied with your original single link reply. Makes me wonder why you even chimed in.

 

There are actually far worse things in China to worry about for libertarian ideologues other than how their Social Credit system which is basically a financial credit rating with some misdemeanor punishments thrown in. Loads of things require passport-level ID like trains & hotels. Even citizens must present their ID. There are loads of cameras on many cities, not that they bothered me, or that I even noticed them. 5 years ago London had the most cameras per person but now a few cities in China have surpassed it. Big deal. The ID checks take a bit of getting used to tho.

 

Edit: I just recorded the message & will upload it some time to show people how "scary" it is.

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monkeymania's picture

If it was a city in China, the government there would certainly handle it better, rolling tanks over civilians. No trouble after that.

 

tiananmen-square-massacre

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danmanjones's picture

What if it was your city? 

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Pantysoaker's picture

i'd move

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monkeymania's picture

There would be fewer bicycles but tanks would crush anything in my city too.

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danmanjones's picture

pretty sure tanks would do more damage than that photo shows... people are kinda squishy & tanks are kinda heavy.

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monkeymania's picture

I was avoiding the horrific pics. I have a lot in color that would blow your mind. People mashed into the tracks of tanks with streams of blood. Piles of people chewed up into bloody bicycle and human parts heaps. Really nasty shit that would have you skip lunch. Pictures that the Chinese government battled to keep secret. It makes "Tank Man" even more incredible. You actually want to see the really bad pics? I'll tell you this, when I was there, people had been thoroughly brainwashed into believing images like this didn't exist or were fake if seen.

 

 

hqdefault

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danmanjones's picture

Still not seeing any evidence of tanks running people over. Those are just pics of more dead people amongst bicycles with no sign of tank tracks. If you're going for shocking graphics, try to make sure they're actually what you say they are.

 

Here's some pics/video you likely haven't seen because of your thorough brainwashing, showing the soldier victims of the violence... the video has been uploaded on YouTube with subtitles several times but for some strange reason gets deleted. Ever wonder why?

 

 

 

Soldiers were attacked on their way to Tienanmen Square, burned alive & hung up on display. This happened before shots were fired. There's another photo of the guy seen peering out of the bus & he a soldier's rifle.

 

 

FYI the video is the Chinese state's version of events & was produced decades ago. So much for denying it ever happened huh?

I think in the end they just tired of trying to explain their side after such overwhelming propaganda from the West & decided everyone should just stfu about it.

 

We could keep going down this rabbit hole if you like, you won't like where it goes. It was in large part one of the first CIA colour revolutions, although there's no denying that the 80's was a messy time in China (they'd just shifted from communism to their new socialism so there was a lot of greivances & dynamic politics).

 

 

What I find bizarre is that many Westerners think they know what happened and feel the need to inform Chinese about it, thinking they themselves are not subject to brainwashing. It's sad & hilarious at the same time.

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monkeymania's picture

LOLOLOL WOW! You are completely out of your fucking mind. You should go into a defense of Mao's "Cutural Revolution" or his "Great Leap Forward". Stay where you are.

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You're not out of your mind, just haven't put in the work to get past the overwhelming propaganda. It's not easy to do. Eg. when you were convinced about the RussiaGate hoax. You're actually quite typical of a brainwashed liberal Westerner but that's not an insult & I appreciate the convo, I figure you telling me I'm out of my mind allows me to be blunt so don't get offended.

 

If there's any particular point(s) that I've made which you dispute then call it out & we can look into it. Maybe we'll both learn something.

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The famous photo, showing a man blocking the tanks as they are trying to leave the city. One man managed to halt an entire column of tanks... pretty peaceful tank drivers eh?

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monkeymania's picture

Yeah, noone was killed and he has been seen many times since...

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danmanjones's picture

Nobody knows. Likelihood is he was arrested, probably tortured & either warned to never step outa line again or just put to death for doing that. But we don't know what happened & most people have no clue about what was going on there. The picture apparently does all the explaining people need.

 

FYI I had dinner with some people tonight who knew about the TSI (T.Square incident). Reason being that the dude's uncle was involved on the side of the military. Unfortunately the language barrier prevented much discussion about it.

 

You should check out that video though, you don't really need to understand Chinese to take in much of what they're putting across. Kinda like that photo. Just as we've never seen footage/pics of the soldiers that were killed, the Chinese state has likely never put out pics/video of the protesters who were killed. Same shit, different shovel. The challenge is to get past the BS & make your own mind up based on verifiable facts or unbiased/reliable sources.

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Ozmen's picture
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If it was my city I'd be asking why on earth is China annexing a part of Finland. And then I'd probably go protest or something. In the case of Hong Kong however, it's complex. Better would be if everyone stopped playing zero sum games but that's not gonna happen now is it?

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stokkebye's picture

I'd be joining in the festivities :)

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theblackswordsman's picture

My city? Iv'e heard somewhere that molotoves are cheap, plentiful, and turn riot squads into walking candles.

 

Not that I'm suggesting any hong kong members make cheap molotoves by the hundreds and hide them in paper bags or anything.

 

Fighting commie governments is bad.

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