his first point (5 mins in) that this isn't a proxy war is false
his 2nd point (6:30) about America funding Ukraine's Nazis is misleadingly splitting hairs. All money goes through channels - does he expect Joe Biden to hand cash to each Azov member before he can say they're directly funded by US?
2nd point continued - He also lies about "an American effort to deliberately arm Ukrainian neo-Nazis" by claiming this "wasn't the intention or an unfortunate side effect". This is a blatant lie. US has known who these Banderites are since they began working with them in the wake of WWII. This is confirmed by CIA declassified dox. MI6 was using Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera to run agents into Ukraine & CIA was using his associates. To think the US didn't know who Azov was while NATO is arming & training them is retarded just on the surface without having to cite anything.
That's all I can be bothered with. If anyone thinks he makes a single decent point debunking the Gravel video let me know. From memory there were one or 2 things I didn't fully agree with but did upload it here because it had a lot of info in it I think is important to know to understand the conflict in Ukraine. It's only some basic stuff. If you dismiss the Nazi element as "Russian propaganda" as some people are inclined to do to you'll be unable to understand the situation.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
"his first point (5 mins in) that this isn't a proxy war is false" lol yeah, wouldn't you like that to be true.....
You should have watched the rest of the video, though. It is also funny how pretty much all of your remarks regarding this conflict mimik the "grovel for putin institute" propaganda.
Hillarious.
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danman (Site Administrator)
you appear to disagree with what I've said but lack the confidence to try & refute it or even take a position on anything mentioned.
curious.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
I don't have to the guy in the video summed it up nicely and I agree with most of what he says.
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(Site Administrator)
his first point (5 mins in) that this isn't a proxy war is false
his 2nd point (6:30) about America funding Ukraine's Nazis is misleadingly splitting hairs. All money goes through channels - does he expect Joe Biden to hand cash to each Azov member before he can say they're directly funded by US?
2nd point continued - He also lies about "an American effort to deliberately arm Ukrainian neo-Nazis" by claiming this "wasn't the intention or an unfortunate side effect". This is a blatant lie. US has known who these Banderites are since they began working with them in the wake of WWII. This is confirmed by CIA declassified dox. MI6 was using Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera to run agents into Ukraine & CIA was using his associates. To think the US didn't know who Azov was while NATO is arming & training them is retarded just on the surface without having to cite anything.
That's all I can be bothered with. If anyone thinks he makes a single decent point debunking the Gravel video let me know. From memory there were one or 2 things I didn't fully agree with but did upload it here because it had a lot of info in it I think is important to know to understand the conflict in Ukraine. It's only some basic stuff. If you dismiss the Nazi element as "Russian propaganda" as some people are inclined to do to you'll be unable to understand the situation.
(Old Spike)
"his first point (5 mins in) that this isn't a proxy war is false" lol yeah, wouldn't you like that to be true.....
You should have watched the rest of the video, though. It is also funny how pretty much all of your remarks regarding this conflict mimik the "grovel for putin institute" propaganda.
Hillarious.
(Site Administrator)
you appear to disagree with what I've said but lack the confidence to try & refute it or even take a position on anything mentioned.
curious.
(Old Spike)
I don't have to the guy in the video summed it up nicely and I agree with most of what he says.