the american government is corrupt? ...color me shocked
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
If by "American government" you mean Obama's DOJ, the DNC and Hillary Clinton then yes, the "American government" is corrupt and thank God that old currupt cunt lost in 2016.
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This memo is just a more formal document outlining what everyone with half a brain has known from the beginning: the Trump/Russia investigation is bullshit. It's based off of bias and bad info. Rest in Peace.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
It's more than that. Not that the left won't continue to say this and make themselves look even more retarded, but prior to this now UN-classified memo confirming it AND NAMING THE CORRUPT PEOPLE INVOLVED the left would just hand wave it away and say it isn't true or there was other unseen evidence for the spying warrant.
Now we know with 100% certanty that the "evidence" used to obtain the memo was made up and paid for by Clinton and used dishonestly to trick a judge into signing off on a spying warrant FOUR TIME IN A ROW.
Let their fuck boy Mueller continue looking for imaginary shit, but the motherfuckers that were part of this that still have jobs need to be fucking fired TODAY!!!
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I agree, however I think they should swing for it. It's treason, they knew it was treason the day they made their decisions.
Will it stop the deep state? No.
Are the elite immune? Pretty much.
But if we keep killing their errand boys, eventually there wont be many left to do their dirty work.
GOOD help is hard to find.
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Dagambit (Long Spike)
I don't think Mueller is bad. He got this job, he is doing a great job at trying to find something. It is dragging on a bit, but that might be because of all the evidence that has surfaced has led to 4 seperate investigations. He didn't voluteer for the job, he didn't ask for it, he kind of took it reluctantly. Since he quit under Holder and Obama (fast & furious), as soon as he started this job as special prosecuter (which both sides agreed on) he obtained immunity for himself. That to me was key that he was going to open up a can of worms. Which he has.
If anyone would like to change my mind on this, can you tell me or link me a case where Mueller had tried to cover something up, or go after someone intensely?
The more we look at the case unfolding, the more and more I see 4d chess unfold. Especially now that we have a text from lisa page to peter stryok <sp> saying that someone in the FBI with presumably a 4 letter name flipped. That was how long the redaction was. I am thinking Bill Presips <sp> has been guiding the Trump admin through the wheel of corruption the whole time. Now they have a 2nd fake as fuck Dossier also by Steele... Time will tell.
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Beseeched1 (Long Spike)
Fusion GPS was originally contracted by rival republicans before the primary(conveniently not mentioned). When it became clear Trump was going to win the nomination they pulled funding and backed off. Fusion GPS was happy to find another client in the DNC that would pay for the work that was already completed and fund further investigation. Fun fact - the FBI was always run by Republicans. Page has been under investigation since 2013 and a warrant requires probable cause, not proof (Fourth Amendment). A federal judge approves these warrants, not the FBI. Fortunately, non of this was in the cherry-picked memo, but they sure do know that their supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch and don't care about the truth, as long as it fits their bias.
People who believe in the deep state are deeply stupid.
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
I'm glad you commented upon this with the extra information. It's interesting that, like the Nunes memo, this particular video by Styx also has omission of information.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
Your party is fucked Mr. Fudd. They are in full damage control mode now and it's so obvious.
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
Yes, all of us are looking forward to the absolute liquidation of the Democratic Party within the next 7-14 days. Will you stand by this prediction or will you balk at your oords?
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
There you go again responding to someone else? Who is the phantom person claiming the Party will disband in the next 7-14 days? I know it wasn't me.
Why do you find it so difficult to respond to things I actually write?
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
OK Mr. Fudd, you can stop riding his dick now.
Beseeched1, thanks for copy and pasting the DNC talking points but unfortunatly you have either completely missed the entire point or are willfully ignoring it. I will now shread your copy pasta.
"Fusion GPS was originally contracted by rival republicans before the primary(conveniently not mentioned)" <- This is completely IRRELEVANT.
"When it became clear Trump was going to win the nomination they pulled funding and backed off." <- This is also completely IRRELEVANT.
" Fusion GPS was happy to find another client in the DNC that would pay for the work that was already completed and fund further investigation." <- This is also completely IRRELEVANT on top of the fact that calling it an "investigation" is laughable since we now know everything was literally fabricated and consisted of Steele leaking false info to Yahoo News and then citing that Yahoo News article as "evidence" of something.
"Fun fact - the FBI was always run by Republicans." <- Completely IRRELEVANT.
"Page has been under investigation since 2013 and a warrant requires probable cause, not proof (Fourth Amendment)." <- This is completely IRRELEVANT to what the memo addressed. The MEMO reveals that the ground for the FISA warrant were baseless and the people who swore to the affidavit knew the "evidence" was partisan at the time they swore to the affidavit.
"A federal judge approves these warrants, not the FBI." <- The FEDERAL JUDGE approved the warrant due to having facts regarding the credibility of the information withheld from him/her. So save us your bullshit attempt to push this off onto the Judge. This is about the FBI lying by ommission in order to spy on behalf of the DNC against a rival political campaign.
"Fortunately, non of this was in the cherry-picked memo, but they sure do know that their supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch and don't care about the truth, as long as it fits their bias." <- What is fortunate is that everyone who isn't a partisan hack sees right through this attempt to cover up and dismiss blantant curruption within the FBI and the DNC.
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
Whoa, whoa, wait...I thought it was the Democratic Party who were in full damage control. The above comment seems very much like damage control.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
I think you and I have different understandings of what "damage control" mean. You see Mr. Fudd, When I say damage control I am talking about the Democratic Party doing everything possible to cover up the fact that they were involved in illigal spying.
You seem to think "damage control" is merely refuting the blatant left wing lies being shit out as part of the Democratic Party's actual damage control.
So no, the Republicans are not in damage control because the only "damage" was that being attempted by the DNC and their partners in the media who spread their bullshit fake news.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Are you actually here in this comment thread telling people the deep state doesn't exist? Do you understand what is meant by the term "deep state"? I'm wondering exactly what needs to be placed on the table to crack a dupe's egg at this point? Is it that you believe the lies, or is it that as long as you approve of the outcome the means of arrival is irrelevant to you?
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
The term "deep state" is a boogeyman, bullshit term and red flags should instantly go off the moment you hear someone say it.
Source: Mark Dice uses the term "deep state" as you do. That's all I need to know about the term.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Which is why despite your intelligence you are so frequently ignorant with your comments. How about the term "conspiracy theory" - do you know where that comes from? I'll give you one guess. I've been a bit amazed lately at the naive worldview you have been projecting. Mark Dice quotes from the Bible and so anything he mentions is automatically unreal? I'm starting a campaign to get Dice to mention all the things I wish weren't true. How long are you going to play this game only to be caught out looking foolish over and over again? LOL You once said hypnotism was a complex organized conspiracy hoax: That was precious, but I don't hold it against you.
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
I was just LOL-ed at by a guy who thinks hypnotism is a real thing. If hypnotism was a real thing that actually works then why isn't it the most sought after remedy to social woes? Or does it not work that way? Does it not work in *ANY* identifiable fashion because then there'd be a measurement and it would show it to be bullshit? Why isn't it used to get people to stop smoking? Or cure anorexia? Or used to motivate disenfranchised communities? Or, fuck, used to literally just steal from people?
Nah, it's only used on stages with a bunch of college students.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Whoops. It IS used to help people quit smoking - no idea how effective it is but that is one application of clinical hypnosis and specifically post-hypnotic suggestion. It is also used to help treat certain mental disorders - again I don't know the success rate. On a mass scale subtle suggestion that falls into the hypnosis realm has been used to disenfanchise motivated people LOL. But seriously, you have to distinguish between clinical hypnosis and stage hypnosis, and then differentiate again for "staged" hypnosis.
You can hypnotize yourself - you don't need someone to do it to you. Again these things are not controversial - I think this is just an area you don't know that much about. I'm not an expert or even a eager student of hypnosis but even I knew that it's a real phenomenon. You best hit the old Google - plenty of links about what it is and isn't, and I found one link near the bottom of the first results page of a 1994 article claiming there's no such thing. That's the most recent thing I can find debunking it. Here go nuts:
I see a lot of people, even people on the right, repeating the talking point that the dossier was originally funded by Republicans. This is a lie. First off, there was never any connection between the RNC and Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS was originally hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website funded by a Republican. However, the dossier had nothing to do with this. The dossier was based ONLY on work that Fusion GPS did for the DNC and HRC. From the Free Beacon: “All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to The Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that The Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,” they said. “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.” http://archive.is/UkuUz The talking point that Republicans originally funded the dossier is a LIE. It is also an attempt to draw some equivalency between a private Republican citizen funding the Washington Free Beacon and the actual DNC and HRC campaign funding Fusion GPS themselves, and then trying to hide the fact that they funded them by using a law firm (Perkins Coie) to pay them and trying their best to withhold Fusion GPS bank records.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
LOL - he put on a shirt and it threw off and delayed the superfriend targeting system.
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
So is there a reason we're taking Nunes' word at 100% face value with no questions asked? Take stock: he's a Trump surrogate and multiple sources, including the FBI, have stated that there are numerous omissions of fact *and* that the memo was altered before it was released without the consent of higher authorities that oversee things like this. Now we have Democrats stating that they the full memo, which Republicans are now trying to block. What happened to that #ReleasetheMemo hashtag from a few weeks ago?
Grains of salt should be flying.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
Dude, the Dems are not even trying to claim the information in the MEMO is false. Pull your head out of your fucking ass. Obama, the great black hope, conspired with Hillary to use the spying powers of the FBI to wire-tap Trump's campaign.
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Dagambit (Long Spike)
Every republican voted to release the Schiff memo. EVERY ONE OF THEM.
The FBI on Jan 29th sent it back asking them to redact information that tell investigation methods and sensitive material, (what they accussed the Nunes memo of)... Schiff still hasn't put it foward after correction.. Dems draging thier feet.
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Fullauto223cal (Old Spike)
In 2013 Carter Page was working as an under-cover employee (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial. [Note – Pay attention to the names in the following citations]
Sources: ♦ In 2013 the U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of New York, announced an indictment against a Russian Operative Evgeny Buryakov. LINK HERE In March of 2016 Buryakov pleaded GUILTY:
Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced that EVGENY BURYAKOV, a/k/a “Zhenya,” pled guilty today to conspiring to act in the United States as an agent of the Russian Federation, without providing prior notice to the Attorney General.
[…] The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices.(more)
♦ In 2016 Reuters published an article, based on the ongoing court case, going into detail about court records. LINK HERE
NEW YORK (Reuters) – The FBI eavesdropped on meetings involving Russian intelligence personnel in New York City, including a suspected spy posing as a trade representative, by hiding recorders in binders containing supposedly confidential information about the energy sector, U.S. prosecutors said.
The hours of covert recordings from 2013 were disclosed in papers filed in Manhattan federal court on Tuesday in the case of Evgeny Buryakov, a Russian citizen who U.S. prosecutors say posed as a banker while participating in a Cold War-style spy ring.
[…] According to prosecutors, in April 2012, Sporyshev met an undercover FBI employee posing as an analyst at a New York energy firm at an oil and gas industry conference.
Over the next two years, they met to discuss the industry and other economic and political issues, prosecutors said, with Sporyshev providing gifts and cash for information.
In 2013, the FBI employee began providing Sporyshev with the binders containing purported industry analysis he wrote, supporting documents, and “covertly placed recording devices,” prosecutors wrote. (more)
♦ In April 2017, writing a story about Carter Page, and trying to enhance/affirm the Russian narrative, they outlined Page’s connections to the Trump campaign, the New York Times referenced Page’s prior connection to the operation. [Notice how the story is shaped] LINK HERE:
Russian intelligence operatives tried in 2013 to recruit an American businessman and eventual foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign who is now part of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia’s interference into the American election, according to federal court documents and a statement issued by the businessman.
The businessman, Carter Page, met with one of three Russians who were eventually charged with being undeclared officers with Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the S.V.R. The F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Page in 2013 as part of an investigation into the spy ring, but decided that he had not known the man was a spy, and the bureau never accused Mr. Page of wrongdoing.
The court documents say that Mr. Page, who founded an investment company in New York called Global Energy Capital, provided documents about the energy business to one of the Russians. […] To record their conversations, the F.B.I. inserted a listening device into binders that were passed to the Russian intelligence operatives during an energy conference, according to a former United States intelligence official. (more)
It is transparently clear that Carter Page was the Under-Cover Employee (UCE) of the FBI in the 2013 case. Carter Page was working for the FBI. However, in 2017 the New York Times, using information from “a former intelligence official“, conflates that fact. Heck, the NY Times tries to entirely change the relationship between Carter Page and the FBI.
Why?
Because on October 21st 2016 the FBI claimed to a FISA Court; to gain a “Title I” surveillance warrant; that Carter Page was working on behalf of a foreign government.
If Carter Page was working as an UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?
Conclusion: He wasn’t. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division flat-out LIED.
Now, go back to the March 2016 DOJ Press Release of the guilty pleading for Evgeny Buryakov, announced from the New York office:
…”Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced”…
Because “FISA Title I” surveillance authority against a U.S. citizen is so serious (the U.S. government is essentially calling the target a spy), only a few people are authorized to even apply for such surveillance warrants. One of the four people authorized to make such a filing is the Asst. Attorney General who is head of the National Security Division of the DOJ. That person is John P Carlin.
The same John P Carlin who, together with the FBI counterintelligence unit, hired Carter Page as an FBI Under-Cover Employee, turns around and six months later accuses Page of being a Russian Spy – because the DOJ-NSD and FBI CoIntel needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. [“The Insurance Policy”]
In October of 2016, immediately after making the FISA Court filing, claiming Page was working for a foreign government and successfully gaining the surveillance warrant, Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin resigns as head of the DOJ-NSD. –SEE HERE–
The entire FISA Title I surveillance authority over Carter Page was cover, most likely retroactive cover, for the DOJ and FBI conducting surveillance on the Trump campaign.
Clear enough?
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
I do need to applaud you for your copy and paste abilities, but I notice again that you seem to forget to include key details and extra bits of information. Is this the new "4D chess", or whatever misdirection is called nowadays? You just leave out specific bits of information to present your own skewed version of reality? The entirety of your strings-connecting-to-maps-on-a-wall explanation above requires one to believe that BOTH Comey and Wray were working to undermine Trump...which makes absolutely no sense when you remember how vocally critical Comey was of Hillary literally three months before the election AND and that Wray was appointed by Trump himself. So these high level, publically known government officials want to fuck over Trump illegally and yet...both seem to also sit on the sidelines when it comes to partisanship; Wray is doing his job properly and Comey did some controversial things, but both Republicans and Democrats were both furious with him in 2016.
You reek of bullshit, FullAuto. Like the Nunes memo you are obviously leaving out information and presenting shaky conclusions (I'll put a note here that in your copy-pasta above it jumps to the conclusion that Carter Page was a UCE up to May of 2016 but none of your sources actually claim that and instead refer to instances in the past from *March* of 2016; they do not give an actual date, you simply arrive at that conclusion on your own through omission of data). Instead of listening to a partisan, Trump sycophant like yourself copy-paste from some sub-Reddit how about we get an easy-to-digest rundown of the complete story with someone who has more integrity? #ReleasetheOtherMemos.
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Dagambit (Long Spike)
What info is he leaving out? Can you refute points please? That would help your arguement instead of just saying things.
TLDR: Step up your copy-paste skills with links so we can see your side for more than an opinion.
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(Long Spike)
the american government is corrupt? ...color me shocked
(Old Spike)
If by "American government" you mean Obama's DOJ, the DNC and Hillary Clinton then yes, the "American government" is corrupt and thank God that old currupt cunt lost in 2016.
(Old Spike)
(Old Spike)
This memo is just a more formal document outlining what everyone with half a brain has known from the beginning: the Trump/Russia investigation is bullshit. It's based off of bias and bad info. Rest in Peace.
(Old Spike)
It's more than that. Not that the left won't continue to say this and make themselves look even more retarded, but prior to this now UN-classified memo confirming it AND NAMING THE CORRUPT PEOPLE INVOLVED the left would just hand wave it away and say it isn't true or there was other unseen evidence for the spying warrant.
Now we know with 100% certanty that the "evidence" used to obtain the memo was made up and paid for by Clinton and used dishonestly to trick a judge into signing off on a spying warrant FOUR TIME IN A ROW.
Let their fuck boy Mueller continue looking for imaginary shit, but the motherfuckers that were part of this that still have jobs need to be fucking fired TODAY!!!
(Old Spike)
I agree, however I think they should swing for it. It's treason, they knew it was treason the day they made their decisions.
Will it stop the deep state? No.
Are the elite immune? Pretty much.
But if we keep killing their errand boys, eventually there wont be many left to do their dirty work.
GOOD help is hard to find.
(Long Spike)
I don't think Mueller is bad. He got this job, he is doing a great job at trying to find something. It is dragging on a bit, but that might be because of all the evidence that has surfaced has led to 4 seperate investigations. He didn't voluteer for the job, he didn't ask for it, he kind of took it reluctantly. Since he quit under Holder and Obama (fast & furious), as soon as he started this job as special prosecuter (which both sides agreed on) he obtained immunity for himself. That to me was key that he was going to open up a can of worms. Which he has.
If anyone would like to change my mind on this, can you tell me or link me a case where Mueller had tried to cover something up, or go after someone intensely?
The more we look at the case unfolding, the more and more I see 4d chess unfold. Especially now that we have a text from lisa page to peter stryok <sp> saying that someone in the FBI with presumably a 4 letter name flipped. That was how long the redaction was. I am thinking Bill Presips <sp> has been guiding the Trump admin through the wheel of corruption the whole time. Now they have a 2nd fake as fuck Dossier also by Steele... Time will tell.
(Long Spike)
Fusion GPS was originally contracted by rival republicans before the primary(conveniently not mentioned). When it became clear Trump was going to win the nomination they pulled funding and backed off. Fusion GPS was happy to find another client in the DNC that would pay for the work that was already completed and fund further investigation. Fun fact - the FBI was always run by Republicans. Page has been under investigation since 2013 and a warrant requires probable cause, not proof (Fourth Amendment). A federal judge approves these warrants, not the FBI. Fortunately, non of this was in the cherry-picked memo, but they sure do know that their supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch and don't care about the truth, as long as it fits their bias.
People who believe in the deep state are deeply stupid.
(Long Spike)
I'm glad you commented upon this with the extra information. It's interesting that, like the Nunes memo, this particular video by Styx also has omission of information.
(Old Spike)
Your party is fucked Mr. Fudd. They are in full damage control mode now and it's so obvious.
(Long Spike)
Yes, all of us are looking forward to the absolute liquidation of the Democratic Party within the next 7-14 days. Will you stand by this prediction or will you balk at your oords?
(Old Spike)
There you go again responding to someone else? Who is the phantom person claiming the Party will disband in the next 7-14 days? I know it wasn't me.
Why do you find it so difficult to respond to things I actually write?
(Old Spike)
OK Mr. Fudd, you can stop riding his dick now.
Beseeched1, thanks for copy and pasting the DNC talking points but unfortunatly you have either completely missed the entire point or are willfully ignoring it. I will now shread your copy pasta.
"Fusion GPS was originally contracted by rival republicans before the primary(conveniently not mentioned)" <- This is completely IRRELEVANT.
"When it became clear Trump was going to win the nomination they pulled funding and backed off." <- This is also completely IRRELEVANT.
" Fusion GPS was happy to find another client in the DNC that would pay for the work that was already completed and fund further investigation." <- This is also completely IRRELEVANT on top of the fact that calling it an "investigation" is laughable since we now know everything was literally fabricated and consisted of Steele leaking false info to Yahoo News and then citing that Yahoo News article as "evidence" of something.
"Fun fact - the FBI was always run by Republicans." <- Completely IRRELEVANT.
"Page has been under investigation since 2013 and a warrant requires probable cause, not proof (Fourth Amendment)." <- This is completely IRRELEVANT to what the memo addressed. The MEMO reveals that the ground for the FISA warrant were baseless and the people who swore to the affidavit knew the "evidence" was partisan at the time they swore to the affidavit.
"A federal judge approves these warrants, not the FBI." <- The FEDERAL JUDGE approved the warrant due to having facts regarding the credibility of the information withheld from him/her. So save us your bullshit attempt to push this off onto the Judge. This is about the FBI lying by ommission in order to spy on behalf of the DNC against a rival political campaign.
"Fortunately, non of this was in the cherry-picked memo, but they sure do know that their supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch and don't care about the truth, as long as it fits their bias." <- What is fortunate is that everyone who isn't a partisan hack sees right through this attempt to cover up and dismiss blantant curruption within the FBI and the DNC.
(Long Spike)
Whoa, whoa, wait...I thought it was the Democratic Party who were in full damage control. The above comment seems very much like damage control.
(Old Spike)
I think you and I have different understandings of what "damage control" mean. You see Mr. Fudd, When I say damage control I am talking about the Democratic Party doing everything possible to cover up the fact that they were involved in illigal spying.
You seem to think "damage control" is merely refuting the blatant left wing lies being shit out as part of the Democratic Party's actual damage control.
So no, the Republicans are not in damage control because the only "damage" was that being attempted by the DNC and their partners in the media who spread their bullshit fake news.
(Old Spike)
Are you actually here in this comment thread telling people the deep state doesn't exist? Do you understand what is meant by the term "deep state"? I'm wondering exactly what needs to be placed on the table to crack a dupe's egg at this point? Is it that you believe the lies, or is it that as long as you approve of the outcome the means of arrival is irrelevant to you?
(Long Spike)
The term "deep state" is a boogeyman, bullshit term and red flags should instantly go off the moment you hear someone say it.
Source: Mark Dice uses the term "deep state" as you do. That's all I need to know about the term.
(Old Spike)
Which is why despite your intelligence you are so frequently ignorant with your comments. How about the term "conspiracy theory" - do you know where that comes from? I'll give you one guess. I've been a bit amazed lately at the naive worldview you have been projecting. Mark Dice quotes from the Bible and so anything he mentions is automatically unreal? I'm starting a campaign to get Dice to mention all the things I wish weren't true. How long are you going to play this game only to be caught out looking foolish over and over again? LOL You once said hypnotism was a complex organized conspiracy hoax: That was precious, but I don't hold it against you.
(Long Spike)
I was just LOL-ed at by a guy who thinks hypnotism is a real thing. If hypnotism was a real thing that actually works then why isn't it the most sought after remedy to social woes? Or does it not work that way? Does it not work in *ANY* identifiable fashion because then there'd be a measurement and it would show it to be bullshit? Why isn't it used to get people to stop smoking? Or cure anorexia? Or used to motivate disenfranchised communities? Or, fuck, used to literally just steal from people?
Nah, it's only used on stages with a bunch of college students.
(Old Spike)
Whoops. It IS used to help people quit smoking - no idea how effective it is but that is one application of clinical hypnosis and specifically post-hypnotic suggestion. It is also used to help treat certain mental disorders - again I don't know the success rate. On a mass scale subtle suggestion that falls into the hypnosis realm has been used to disenfanchise motivated people LOL. But seriously, you have to distinguish between clinical hypnosis and stage hypnosis, and then differentiate again for "staged" hypnosis.
You can hypnotize yourself - you don't need someone to do it to you. Again these things are not controversial - I think this is just an area you don't know that much about. I'm not an expert or even a eager student of hypnosis but even I knew that it's a real phenomenon. You best hit the old Google - plenty of links about what it is and isn't, and I found one link near the bottom of the first results page of a 1994 article claiming there's no such thing. That's the most recent thing I can find debunking it. Here go nuts:
https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1AOHY_en-GBCA714CA714&ei=JwSAWrXPKsqAtgWQhry4Aw&q=is+hypnosis+real%3F&oq=is+hypnosis+real%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.6750.9738.0.10057.17.13.0.4.4.0.157.1350.7j6.13.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.17.1377...0i131k1j0i67k1.0.tSbZV98W504
https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1AOHY_en-GBCA714CA714&ei=pAGAWtnrI8u4sQW3soOQDQ&q=who+is+qualified+to+perform+clinical+hypnosis%3F&oq=who+is+qualified+to+perform+clinical+hypnosis%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4720.13092.0.13267.50.38.1.10.10.0.328.4127.19j17j0j1.37.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..3.43.3719...0j0i67k1j0i131k1j0i3k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.0.XACWbNFxGdE
(Old Spike)
I see a lot of people, even people on the right, repeating the talking point that the dossier was originally funded by Republicans. This is a lie. First off, there was never any connection between the RNC and Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS was originally hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website funded by a Republican. However, the dossier had nothing to do with this. The dossier was based ONLY on work that Fusion GPS did for the DNC and HRC. From the Free Beacon: “All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to The Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that The Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,” they said. “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.” http://archive.is/UkuUz The talking point that Republicans originally funded the dossier is a LIE. It is also an attempt to draw some equivalency between a private Republican citizen funding the Washington Free Beacon and the actual DNC and HRC campaign funding Fusion GPS themselves, and then trying to hide the fact that they funded them by using a law firm (Perkins Coie) to pay them and trying their best to withhold Fusion GPS bank records.
(Old Spike)
LOL - he put on a shirt and it threw off and delayed the superfriend targeting system.
(Long Spike)
So is there a reason we're taking Nunes' word at 100% face value with no questions asked? Take stock: he's a Trump surrogate and multiple sources, including the FBI, have stated that there are numerous omissions of fact *and* that the memo was altered before it was released without the consent of higher authorities that oversee things like this. Now we have Democrats stating that they the full memo, which Republicans are now trying to block. What happened to that #ReleasetheMemo hashtag from a few weeks ago?
Grains of salt should be flying.
(Old Spike)
Dude, the Dems are not even trying to claim the information in the MEMO is false. Pull your head out of your fucking ass. Obama, the great black hope, conspired with Hillary to use the spying powers of the FBI to wire-tap Trump's campaign.
(Long Spike)
Every republican voted to release the Schiff memo. EVERY ONE OF THEM.
The FBI on Jan 29th sent it back asking them to redact information that tell investigation methods and sensitive material, (what they accussed the Nunes memo of)... Schiff still hasn't put it foward after correction.. Dems draging thier feet.
(Old Spike)
In 2013 Carter Page was working as an under-cover employee (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial. [Note – Pay attention to the names in the following citations]
Sources: ♦ In 2013 the U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of New York, announced an indictment against a Russian Operative Evgeny Buryakov. LINK HERE In March of 2016 Buryakov pleaded GUILTY:
♦ In 2016 Reuters published an article, based on the ongoing court case, going into detail about court records. LINK HERE
♦ In April 2017, writing a story about Carter Page, and trying to enhance/affirm the Russian narrative, they outlined Page’s connections to the Trump campaign, the New York Times referenced Page’s prior connection to the operation. [Notice how the story is shaped] LINK HERE:
It is transparently clear that Carter Page was the Under-Cover Employee (UCE) of the FBI in the 2013 case. Carter Page was working for the FBI. However, in 2017 the New York Times, using information from “a former intelligence official“, conflates that fact. Heck, the NY Times tries to entirely change the relationship between Carter Page and the FBI.
Why?
Because on October 21st 2016 the FBI claimed to a FISA Court; to gain a “Title I” surveillance warrant; that Carter Page was working on behalf of a foreign government.
Carter Page was an FBI Under-Cover Employee in 2013, and remained the primary FBI witness through May of 2016.
If Carter Page was working as an UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?
Conclusion: He wasn’t. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division flat-out LIED.
Now, go back to the March 2016 DOJ Press Release of the guilty pleading for Evgeny Buryakov, announced from the New York office:
Because “FISA Title I” surveillance authority against a U.S. citizen is so serious (the U.S. government is essentially calling the target a spy), only a few people are authorized to even apply for such surveillance warrants. One of the four people authorized to make such a filing is the Asst. Attorney General who is head of the National Security Division of the DOJ. That person is John P Carlin.
The same John P Carlin who, together with the FBI counterintelligence unit, hired Carter Page as an FBI Under-Cover Employee, turns around and six months later accuses Page of being a Russian Spy – because the DOJ-NSD and FBI CoIntel needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. [“The Insurance Policy”]
In October of 2016, immediately after making the FISA Court filing, claiming Page was working for a foreign government and successfully gaining the surveillance warrant, Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin resigns as head of the DOJ-NSD. –SEE HERE–
The entire FISA Title I surveillance authority over Carter Page was cover, most likely retroactive cover, for the DOJ and FBI conducting surveillance on the Trump campaign.
Clear enough?
(Long Spike)
I do need to applaud you for your copy and paste abilities, but I notice again that you seem to forget to include key details and extra bits of information. Is this the new "4D chess", or whatever misdirection is called nowadays? You just leave out specific bits of information to present your own skewed version of reality? The entirety of your strings-connecting-to-maps-on-a-wall explanation above requires one to believe that BOTH Comey and Wray were working to undermine Trump...which makes absolutely no sense when you remember how vocally critical Comey was of Hillary literally three months before the election AND and that Wray was appointed by Trump himself. So these high level, publically known government officials want to fuck over Trump illegally and yet...both seem to also sit on the sidelines when it comes to partisanship; Wray is doing his job properly and Comey did some controversial things, but both Republicans and Democrats were both furious with him in 2016.
You reek of bullshit, FullAuto. Like the Nunes memo you are obviously leaving out information and presenting shaky conclusions (I'll put a note here that in your copy-pasta above it jumps to the conclusion that Carter Page was a UCE up to May of 2016 but none of your sources actually claim that and instead refer to instances in the past from *March* of 2016; they do not give an actual date, you simply arrive at that conclusion on your own through omission of data). Instead of listening to a partisan, Trump sycophant like yourself copy-paste from some sub-Reddit how about we get an easy-to-digest rundown of the complete story with someone who has more integrity? #ReleasetheOtherMemos.
(Long Spike)
What info is he leaving out? Can you refute points please? That would help your arguement instead of just saying things.
TLDR: Step up your copy-paste skills with links so we can see your side for more than an opinion.