Looks like CIA is getting ready to dump the patsy.
Hard to say who will replace him, I think Buttegeige will do what he's told.
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I hope not. I want his stamp on this debacle (US unilateralism evaporating).
Judging by what I've seen of how US corporate media's covering the laptop stuff & him in general he's still fine for now.
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What I can guess is that there are players within that have been orchestrating the collapse of the American Empire, that rigged him in and planned to pin it all on him.
There are also those within that want to save it, who have been turning a blind eye until now as they are seeing the catastrophic damage incurred. I think they will have him removed, have a "conversation" with Harris and Pelosi which will result in their resignations, and they will have some unprecedented means of installing a plant like Butti.
Might not be Butti, but there are 3 criterea I can identify that they are looking for.
1. Will be "accepted" by the people with minimal fuss.
2. Will be democrat to avoid a slew of problems that would arise among democrat voters.
3. Most importantly will do exactly as he is told.
What is certain, is that this laptop isn't being acknowledged unless it fit the plan. If it damaged what is being orchestrated it would not see the light of day, and all of us who were bringing this up during the election would be waved off as nutters still.
The focal point is the mid term elections. When the pendeulum is expected to swing back radically in the opposite direction.
I think the original idea was the escalate the war would grant presidential powers to cancel the mid term election. But, I don't think that will work very well. I think we'll see some kind of a massive shift by that time. I can't say for sure what it will be, but the establishment is not going to allow a populist take over at all costs.
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imo the deep state will retain american power as best as possible but the head winds of history are getting stronger & stronger. US fucked up in the 1990s when instead of cashing in on the 'peace dividend' they doubled-down & decided global dictatorship under US was the way they wanted things to go.
US unilateralism was an anomoly, not the natural order. It's unsustainable, especially with the level of incompetence we see lately. IMO US should have eased up & rode this century out with their tech & financial primacy intact. If they insist on zero sum power struggle it's not gonna go well for them & they'll lose their position much more than they would have if they'd compromised a bit more.
There's a confrontation between unilateralism & multilateralism that's been heating up for years. Global South major powers are talking about a "fair world order". That doesn't mean they want to confront US but the "rules based order" (US dictatorship) is on its way out. No amount of CIA fuckery is gonna save it, it's a matter of economic gravity. eg. 30 years ago the G8 was 60% of global GDP. It's now the G7 and has 30%.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Precisely, I'm glad you see the 90's as the tilt.
Think about who was in charge. Two Bushes, Clinton, then Obama in the oughts and tens.
That stack has done near irreversable damage to the country.
They were all on board with NWO agendas, and did their best to take the country apart one screw at a time.
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internally I think they swallowed the neolib pill too hard
capitalism tends towards monopoly & needs to be regulated well to be sustainable imo
US hypercapitlism was never gonna last
the 80s was an orgy of letting loose the free markets but as time goes by things just get gutted, with the wealth & power moving up the chain, back towards oligarchy/feudalism.
couple that with the natural chaos of US culture & socio-political system in general & it's just a matter of time for things to slide imo
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
It wasn't a lack of regulation, it's the wrong kind of regulation that did this.
Mostly pressing the lower and middle classes, and small tomedium businesses.
While in turn creating all kinds of loopholes for the super rich to abuse, and many of them only accessible by them.
What that creates is anti capitilist prinicples.
For capitalism to work it needs competition and meritocracy. May the best product/service win.
And for the cycle to continue in an organic and healthy manner you can't shut the door behind you through new regulation once you have made your fortune, as that paves way to monopoly and then holding the masses hostage with deterioirating goods and services while crushing new comers.
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probably it has a bit to do with intent
what I mean is the intent of those regulating the system has to be to make it fair, not just hook up the 1% at every turn for a cronyism agenda
and also not being dogmatic about maximizing short term gains, which could better describe what the regulaters tend to do
the intent to take care of the 'little guy' seems to have been missing too much & over time that undermines the system - it's something Trump cashed in on politically but didn't do much about
Biden & his party hasn't even pretended to make effort to hook up things like minimum wage etc as they promised in the election & there's no way of holding them accountable. Liberal media are their salesmen & opposition media just sensationalizes the most effective things for ratings & political agenda. They dgaf about 'the little guy' either
It's not a very good system, or it was but it's become twisted & dysfunctional
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Generally I would agree.
On minimum wage, people need to get far away from that concept. It's just a bandaid over cancer.
What really needs to be the focus is restoring buying power by eliminating debt, or if that's impossible, then stiffing the world bank and keeping the economy inward, only trading with nations that do the same.
It's very clear that the WB has been predatory in it's practices for over a hundred years if not the whole time.
They don't deserve a dime. Stiff em, draw up new treaties and military alliances and tell them come and get it.
Alternatively treaties can be drawn up to sell them unclaimed territory such as part of the ocean, antarctica, the moon or Pluto or something.
If enough nations signs a treaty like that it makes it legal. Hey WB your money is there, you just have to extract the resources and to go get it. Enjoy.
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I'm not economist or anything & don't have a take on minimum wage. It seems to be fine here where it's roughly $15 USD for people over 16yrs old & we have lower wages comparitavely. NZ is more like a small state with no neighbours & a fairly decent national identity. The economic culture here is less ruthless than US.
it was more example of the lack of accountability, there were other things they promised during campaign which have just been tossed out, which often happens in electoral democracy but it's quite blatant there, seems like. They just keep hooking up the oligarchs - I think a major driving force in the Ukraine bullshit was oil & arms profits.
Main 3 power factions in US are finance, weapons, oil
it's basically an oligarchy with those 3 competing for gibs
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Pharma, insurance and debt as well.
Everything you see a commercial for.
Ironically all owned by Blackrock and the anglo bankers.
They pumped the world dry through the U.S. Ukraine is now about destablizing the U.S. dollar, but it's not going to just shift over to China and Russia.
It's going to create the atmosphere needed to bring in the centralized digital currency and quite possibly the death of human freedom.
Both sides are being played. Some moving the pieces as intended others moving them in reaction.
Problem reaction solution.
"By deception they will make war against us."
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"Ukraine is now about destablizing the U.S. dollar, but it's not going to just shift over to China and Russia"
yeah it's not it's gonna disperse more & won't happen overnight. It wasn't necessary before recently because nobody really had a problem with US-centered system that was setup after WWII but the system is being weaponized so much by the US/west that it's undermining the credibility of it so others are just responding.
Eg. the Saudis are looking at what once they thought of as a stable banking system led by Anglo-Americans & wondering if/when they'll fall out of favour & have their shit confiscated. Russia's been moving in this direction for a while & is spearheading things for now. If US wants smoke with China & starts a serious economic war the west is gonna get buried. We don't make anything anyone really needs. Our civ is kinda hollowed compared to what it once was, economically speaking, and relative to how others have caught up.
It was a major fuckup of the Dems/deep state to go after the Russians. WTF their problem was with Russia I don't know. It's long term policy of US to keep Russia & Western Europe from integrating, maybe that's it but it seems like more & it doesn't even seem like a very good strategy. Pulling Russia into West was possible since 1991 to about 2019. Now I don't think it's possible short of a reverse course & decade of rebuilding trust. The 2017 National Security Strategy that named China & Russia as the 2 adversaries of US was maybe the final mistake made. So stupid & arrogant to think the US/west should or could contain them both at once.
Really it goes back to 1990s when US decided their official policy was maintaining a global hegemony in all domains was the right way forward. Shoulda cashed in the peace dividend & figured out how to adapt to a changing world while riding the waves that come rather than try to stop them. It had so much goodwill, that's mostly gone now. Their ability to bully other major powers is now almost gone. I dunno what else they got left but ability to disrupt things & further undermine themselves.
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(Old Spike)
Looks like CIA is getting ready to dump the patsy.
Hard to say who will replace him, I think Buttegeige will do what he's told.
(Site Administrator)
I hope not. I want his stamp on this debacle (US unilateralism evaporating).
Judging by what I've seen of how US corporate media's covering the laptop stuff & him in general he's still fine for now.
(Old Spike)
What I can guess is that there are players within that have been orchestrating the collapse of the American Empire, that rigged him in and planned to pin it all on him.
There are also those within that want to save it, who have been turning a blind eye until now as they are seeing the catastrophic damage incurred. I think they will have him removed, have a "conversation" with Harris and Pelosi which will result in their resignations, and they will have some unprecedented means of installing a plant like Butti.
Might not be Butti, but there are 3 criterea I can identify that they are looking for.
1. Will be "accepted" by the people with minimal fuss.
2. Will be democrat to avoid a slew of problems that would arise among democrat voters.
3. Most importantly will do exactly as he is told.
What is certain, is that this laptop isn't being acknowledged unless it fit the plan. If it damaged what is being orchestrated it would not see the light of day, and all of us who were bringing this up during the election would be waved off as nutters still.
The focal point is the mid term elections. When the pendeulum is expected to swing back radically in the opposite direction.
I think the original idea was the escalate the war would grant presidential powers to cancel the mid term election. But, I don't think that will work very well. I think we'll see some kind of a massive shift by that time. I can't say for sure what it will be, but the establishment is not going to allow a populist take over at all costs.
(Site Administrator)
imo the deep state will retain american power as best as possible but the head winds of history are getting stronger & stronger. US fucked up in the 1990s when instead of cashing in on the 'peace dividend' they doubled-down & decided global dictatorship under US was the way they wanted things to go.
US unilateralism was an anomoly, not the natural order. It's unsustainable, especially with the level of incompetence we see lately. IMO US should have eased up & rode this century out with their tech & financial primacy intact. If they insist on zero sum power struggle it's not gonna go well for them & they'll lose their position much more than they would have if they'd compromised a bit more.
There's a confrontation between unilateralism & multilateralism that's been heating up for years. Global South major powers are talking about a "fair world order". That doesn't mean they want to confront US but the "rules based order" (US dictatorship) is on its way out. No amount of CIA fuckery is gonna save it, it's a matter of economic gravity. eg. 30 years ago the G8 was 60% of global GDP. It's now the G7 and has 30%.
(Old Spike)
Precisely, I'm glad you see the 90's as the tilt.
Think about who was in charge. Two Bushes, Clinton, then Obama in the oughts and tens.
That stack has done near irreversable damage to the country.
They were all on board with NWO agendas, and did their best to take the country apart one screw at a time.
(Site Administrator)
internally I think they swallowed the neolib pill too hard
capitalism tends towards monopoly & needs to be regulated well to be sustainable imo
US hypercapitlism was never gonna last
the 80s was an orgy of letting loose the free markets but as time goes by things just get gutted, with the wealth & power moving up the chain, back towards oligarchy/feudalism.
couple that with the natural chaos of US culture & socio-political system in general & it's just a matter of time for things to slide imo
(Old Spike)
It wasn't a lack of regulation, it's the wrong kind of regulation that did this.
Mostly pressing the lower and middle classes, and small tomedium businesses.
While in turn creating all kinds of loopholes for the super rich to abuse, and many of them only accessible by them.
What that creates is anti capitilist prinicples.
For capitalism to work it needs competition and meritocracy. May the best product/service win.
And for the cycle to continue in an organic and healthy manner you can't shut the door behind you through new regulation once you have made your fortune, as that paves way to monopoly and then holding the masses hostage with deterioirating goods and services while crushing new comers.
(Site Administrator)
probably it has a bit to do with intent
what I mean is the intent of those regulating the system has to be to make it fair, not just hook up the 1% at every turn for a cronyism agenda
and also not being dogmatic about maximizing short term gains, which could better describe what the regulaters tend to do
the intent to take care of the 'little guy' seems to have been missing too much & over time that undermines the system - it's something Trump cashed in on politically but didn't do much about
Biden & his party hasn't even pretended to make effort to hook up things like minimum wage etc as they promised in the election & there's no way of holding them accountable. Liberal media are their salesmen & opposition media just sensationalizes the most effective things for ratings & political agenda. They dgaf about 'the little guy' either
It's not a very good system, or it was but it's become twisted & dysfunctional
(Old Spike)
Generally I would agree.
On minimum wage, people need to get far away from that concept. It's just a bandaid over cancer.
What really needs to be the focus is restoring buying power by eliminating debt, or if that's impossible, then stiffing the world bank and keeping the economy inward, only trading with nations that do the same.
It's very clear that the WB has been predatory in it's practices for over a hundred years if not the whole time.
They don't deserve a dime. Stiff em, draw up new treaties and military alliances and tell them come and get it.
Alternatively treaties can be drawn up to sell them unclaimed territory such as part of the ocean, antarctica, the moon or Pluto or something.
If enough nations signs a treaty like that it makes it legal. Hey WB your money is there, you just have to extract the resources and to go get it. Enjoy.
(Site Administrator)
I'm not economist or anything & don't have a take on minimum wage. It seems to be fine here where it's roughly $15 USD for people over 16yrs old & we have lower wages comparitavely. NZ is more like a small state with no neighbours & a fairly decent national identity. The economic culture here is less ruthless than US.
it was more example of the lack of accountability, there were other things they promised during campaign which have just been tossed out, which often happens in electoral democracy but it's quite blatant there, seems like. They just keep hooking up the oligarchs - I think a major driving force in the Ukraine bullshit was oil & arms profits.
Main 3 power factions in US are finance, weapons, oil
it's basically an oligarchy with those 3 competing for gibs
(Old Spike)
Pharma, insurance and debt as well.
Everything you see a commercial for.
Ironically all owned by Blackrock and the anglo bankers.
They pumped the world dry through the U.S. Ukraine is now about destablizing the U.S. dollar, but it's not going to just shift over to China and Russia.
It's going to create the atmosphere needed to bring in the centralized digital currency and quite possibly the death of human freedom.
Both sides are being played. Some moving the pieces as intended others moving them in reaction.
Problem reaction solution.
"By deception they will make war against us."
(Site Administrator)
"Ukraine is now about destablizing the U.S. dollar, but it's not going to just shift over to China and Russia"
yeah it's not it's gonna disperse more & won't happen overnight. It wasn't necessary before recently because nobody really had a problem with US-centered system that was setup after WWII but the system is being weaponized so much by the US/west that it's undermining the credibility of it so others are just responding.
Eg. the Saudis are looking at what once they thought of as a stable banking system led by Anglo-Americans & wondering if/when they'll fall out of favour & have their shit confiscated. Russia's been moving in this direction for a while & is spearheading things for now. If US wants smoke with China & starts a serious economic war the west is gonna get buried. We don't make anything anyone really needs. Our civ is kinda hollowed compared to what it once was, economically speaking, and relative to how others have caught up.
It was a major fuckup of the Dems/deep state to go after the Russians. WTF their problem was with Russia I don't know. It's long term policy of US to keep Russia & Western Europe from integrating, maybe that's it but it seems like more & it doesn't even seem like a very good strategy. Pulling Russia into West was possible since 1991 to about 2019. Now I don't think it's possible short of a reverse course & decade of rebuilding trust. The 2017 National Security Strategy that named China & Russia as the 2 adversaries of US was maybe the final mistake made. So stupid & arrogant to think the US/west should or could contain them both at once.
Really it goes back to 1990s when US decided their official policy was maintaining a global hegemony in all domains was the right way forward. Shoulda cashed in the peace dividend & figured out how to adapt to a changing world while riding the waves that come rather than try to stop them. It had so much goodwill, that's mostly gone now. Their ability to bully other major powers is now almost gone. I dunno what else they got left but ability to disrupt things & further undermine themselves.