ASPI is an interesting organisation. It's sponsored by the Australian & US governments & is mostly acts as a crude anti-China think tank. They do weekly reports that get blanket coverage on Australian mainstream media like Sky News, which the jounralists can take credit for but really it's just the latest set of talking points from ASPI. Their MO is basically to drive a wedge between China & Australia.
There's a bunch of misinfo in this video but I can't be bothered with it. If people want to be misled by fakenews, so be it.
What do you think of the state of Journalism in the world today? Two papers, from the same country, same day stories - opposite headlines.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
Western journalism is on its death bed.
Those are not the same story at all. I think you've given the wrong link in the first link. Regardless I it's silly to make assumptions from headlines.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
No both links working we're the ones I intended. one indicates the WHO has encouraged China to reopen its wet markets and the other indicates the WHO is desperately urging China to not open its wet market. And I honestly don't see how this has anything to do with east or west.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
First link is to a dailymail article about scottt Morrison attacking the WHO. It's not the Guardian & doesn't have the title you've given it, nor is your description accurate rwt what's in that article. Dailymail is a sensationalist rag & you're taking the fakenews even further. What gives?
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Oh I misnamed the rag - right right the Dailymail. I'm not doing anything other than pointing out these spectacularly opposite headlines/positions in terms of where the WHO stands with China and what that says about Journalism and the practice of quoting articles, from anywhere, period, as the final difinitive word on what's actually going on. The NYT is an activist rag, and it's supposed to be the standard. Inference and stubborn, even child-like, reptition of obvious questions that CAN be answered is the only apparent recourse for those who still actually care about really knowing about what's actually going on. It's only a problem if you think the way I do - if someone is just dumbly with team X and the truth is whatever benefits team X then the current state of Journalism isn't an issue I suppose.
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Sempaliscious (Short Spike)
Considering China is buying up anything and everything they can get their hands on in Australia, yes, I would say there is a massive problem. Considering Chinese people are stripping the shelves and sending baby formula back to China, yes, I would say there is a problem. Considering China caused this whole problem, whether on purpose or through gross negligence, yes, I would say there is a massive problem. And yes, I don't trust China. China is asshole.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
Do live in Australia?
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Sempaliscious (Short Spike)
Not that it has anything to do with it, yes, I do - for all 39 years of my life.
Is that what you think - that the WHO has been bought by China?
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It's from the quote that titles the video - the entire paraphrased quote is the actual title of the YouTube video. The title describes the video. I don't know what to think yet - I don't have enough information. You're sat there saying "It's wrong for you to ask questions and seek clarifying information." Sounds like the position a CCP authoritarian might take but honestly I don't know any personally. Do you?
In the video above, there's some acusation of the curret WHO head having been "backed into the role" by China because of something to do with Africa but I still don't think I understand. I'm just casually looking for an explanation of the WHO dude's behavior regarding Taiwan - why he seemed to take China's position on that issue absolutely to the point of fleeing the very mention of that nation. Fucking weird - why'd he do that. I'll find out and let you know.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
The fuck are you on about saying I'm being authoritarian ya weirdo. Fuck's sake.
The title you've given is misleading IMO. It's a guest on the show, not the media organisation claiming that the WHO is bought off. It should have quote marks around that claim & attribute it to the person making it rather than Aussie media. It may seem pedantic but that's just my standard of where the line is before things become misleading.
You say you're interested in this claim of whether there's some secret WHO-China relationship but that you have no idea... but you're uploading someone making a really bold claim here with nothing to back it up. Bold claims require bold evidence. Otherwise it's fakenews.
If I were you I'd give up on trying to figure out this fakenews agenda to undermine the WHO's credibility. It's not worth your time & you come in without the right tools.
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I just finished a one year contract working for Health Standards Organization, the only real competitor to the WHO in terms of the non-profit design and promotion of international health standards. It was the most dysfunctional company I have every worked at - to the point of being almost unbelievable. I redesigned their entire sales and proposal process for them and then got the fuck out of there lol.
We had a visitor from the IMF - top-levelmulti-millionaire European Union bureaucrat guy - who came to talk with us about the market we were addressing. This guy is like a top dog mover and shaker within the dirty halls of European and international "non-profit" politics. He was asked about how much of a challenge our main competitor the WHO would be (keep in mind this company I worked at was, at the executive level anyway, genuinely retarded). He smiled, and he looked to the back of the room and said "This is isn't being recorded right? No? Hah hah okay - if anyone asks I'll deny I said this, but the WHO is extremely dysfunctional and very poor at what they do," and it was inferred with chuckles that a large portion of that dysfunction is corruption. This shouldn't surprise anyone - it's an international non-profit organization - pretty common. He knew my company well, and he said we were mountains above the WHO in terms of integrity and competence. And HSO is the most dysfunctional and IMO corrupt place I've ever worked at.
So I do have some experience with this topic - I'm just kind of wondering if what we see in the Taiwan video is an example of corruption, dysfunction, incompetence, or all of the above. I've managed to work my way back to where I belong, hi-tech telecommunications, and although I met a LOT of really caring and committed people at HSO at the manager level and below, from director up it seemed like mostly disgusting sociopaths. Which surprised me - I had this stereotype that you'd tend to find those more often in a for-profit joint but based on my experience, not the case. That said, I've been told HSO is not reflective of non-profit in general. I'll have to take their word for it - never going back.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
okay well have fun wondering.
you didn't address my question on the other post - why do you think the HK girl pressed him about Taiwan?
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Press him? She asked him a question. I don't know what she expected him to do, but I expected him to answer her question. Instead he behaved very strangely. This led to a new question: Why the weird behavior dude? No answer so far but I haven't checked today.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
I gave you an answer to that in the other post.
He answered her question and she kept asking him about it. Watch it again. Why do you think the journalist from Hong Kong kept asking Bruce Aylward about Taiwan?
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
I answered in the other post. He didn't answer her question - he said all provinces of China are doing well. Taiwan is clearly not a province of China, so that's not an answer.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
Taiwan is a province of China in every way that matters here.
I answered in the other post.
I can't find your answer. What did it say?...
Why do you think the journalist from Hong Kong kept asking Bruce Aylward about Taiwan?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
taiwan's got its own government, military and economy. its a country in every way that matters
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One side note from today's reporting: I asked WHO if there was anything else they would like to say about the Aylward Taiwan interview where he appeared to dodge several questions and they sent a statement alleging @RTHK re-shot the interview 1/
The matter of the interview was just one detail in a longer story. There was not room to print the entire statement. But am wondering if @rthk_enews or @yvonne_tg want to respond. 2/
Free speech in HK is under threat and RTHK was hit hard by pro-Beijing types for even asking about Taiwan. So the allegation is extra weighty. 3/
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(Old Spike)
ASPI is an interesting organisation. It's sponsored by the Australian & US governments & is mostly acts as a crude anti-China think tank. They do weekly reports that get blanket coverage on Australian mainstream media like Sky News, which the jounralists can take credit for but really it's just the latest set of talking points from ASPI. Their MO is basically to drive a wedge between China & Australia.
There's a bunch of misinfo in this video but I can't be bothered with it. If people want to be misled by fakenews, so be it.
(Old Spike)
From today:
Guardian: The WHO recommends re-opening China's wet markets: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8214367/Australia-pressures-World-Health-Organisation-backed-reopening-Chinas-wet-markets.html
UK Independent: WHO urges China to close ‘dangerous’ wet market as stalls in Wuhan begin to reopen: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-china-cases-deaths-who-wet-market-wuhan-a9462286.html
What do you think of the state of Journalism in the world today? Two papers, from the same country, same day stories - opposite headlines.
(Old Spike)
Western journalism is on its death bed.
Those are not the same story at all. I think you've given the wrong link in the first link. Regardless I it's silly to make assumptions from headlines.
(Old Spike)
No both links working we're the ones I intended. one indicates the WHO has encouraged China to reopen its wet markets and the other indicates the WHO is desperately urging China to not open its wet market. And I honestly don't see how this has anything to do with east or west.
(Old Spike)
First link is to a dailymail article about scottt Morrison attacking the WHO. It's not the Guardian & doesn't have the title you've given it, nor is your description accurate rwt what's in that article. Dailymail is a sensationalist rag & you're taking the fakenews even further. What gives?
(Old Spike)
Oh I misnamed the rag - right right the Dailymail. I'm not doing anything other than pointing out these spectacularly opposite headlines/positions in terms of where the WHO stands with China and what that says about Journalism and the practice of quoting articles, from anywhere, period, as the final difinitive word on what's actually going on. The NYT is an activist rag, and it's supposed to be the standard. Inference and stubborn, even child-like, reptition of obvious questions that CAN be answered is the only apparent recourse for those who still actually care about really knowing about what's actually going on. It's only a problem if you think the way I do - if someone is just dumbly with team X and the truth is whatever benefits team X then the current state of Journalism isn't an issue I suppose.
(Short Spike)
Considering China is buying up anything and everything they can get their hands on in Australia, yes, I would say there is a massive problem. Considering Chinese people are stripping the shelves and sending baby formula back to China, yes, I would say there is a problem. Considering China caused this whole problem, whether on purpose or through gross negligence, yes, I would say there is a massive problem. And yes, I don't trust China. China is asshole.
(Old Spike)
Do live in Australia?
(Short Spike)
Not that it has anything to do with it, yes, I do - for all 39 years of my life.
(Old Spike)
any comment on this?
https://www.spikednation.com/videos/racist-attack-asian-students-australia
(Old Spike)
Interesting title skeptoid.
Is that what you think - that the WHO has been bought by China?
(Old Spike)
It's from the quote that titles the video - the entire paraphrased quote is the actual title of the YouTube video. The title describes the video. I don't know what to think yet - I don't have enough information. You're sat there saying "It's wrong for you to ask questions and seek clarifying information." Sounds like the position a CCP authoritarian might take but honestly I don't know any personally. Do you?
In the video above, there's some acusation of the curret WHO head having been "backed into the role" by China because of something to do with Africa but I still don't think I understand. I'm just casually looking for an explanation of the WHO dude's behavior regarding Taiwan - why he seemed to take China's position on that issue absolutely to the point of fleeing the very mention of that nation. Fucking weird - why'd he do that. I'll find out and let you know.
(Old Spike)
The fuck are you on about saying I'm being authoritarian ya weirdo. Fuck's sake.
The title you've given is misleading IMO. It's a guest on the show, not the media organisation claiming that the WHO is bought off. It should have quote marks around that claim & attribute it to the person making it rather than Aussie media. It may seem pedantic but that's just my standard of where the line is before things become misleading.
You say you're interested in this claim of whether there's some secret WHO-China relationship but that you have no idea... but you're uploading someone making a really bold claim here with nothing to back it up. Bold claims require bold evidence. Otherwise it's fakenews.
If I were you I'd give up on trying to figure out this fakenews agenda to undermine the WHO's credibility. It's not worth your time & you come in without the right tools.
(Old Spike)
I just finished a one year contract working for Health Standards Organization, the only real competitor to the WHO in terms of the non-profit design and promotion of international health standards. It was the most dysfunctional company I have every worked at - to the point of being almost unbelievable. I redesigned their entire sales and proposal process for them and then got the fuck out of there lol.
We had a visitor from the IMF - top-levelmulti-millionaire European Union bureaucrat guy - who came to talk with us about the market we were addressing. This guy is like a top dog mover and shaker within the dirty halls of European and international "non-profit" politics. He was asked about how much of a challenge our main competitor the WHO would be (keep in mind this company I worked at was, at the executive level anyway, genuinely retarded). He smiled, and he looked to the back of the room and said "This is isn't being recorded right? No? Hah hah okay - if anyone asks I'll deny I said this, but the WHO is extremely dysfunctional and very poor at what they do," and it was inferred with chuckles that a large portion of that dysfunction is corruption. This shouldn't surprise anyone - it's an international non-profit organization - pretty common. He knew my company well, and he said we were mountains above the WHO in terms of integrity and competence. And HSO is the most dysfunctional and IMO corrupt place I've ever worked at.
So I do have some experience with this topic - I'm just kind of wondering if what we see in the Taiwan video is an example of corruption, dysfunction, incompetence, or all of the above. I've managed to work my way back to where I belong, hi-tech telecommunications, and although I met a LOT of really caring and committed people at HSO at the manager level and below, from director up it seemed like mostly disgusting sociopaths. Which surprised me - I had this stereotype that you'd tend to find those more often in a for-profit joint but based on my experience, not the case. That said, I've been told HSO is not reflective of non-profit in general. I'll have to take their word for it - never going back.
(Old Spike)
okay well have fun wondering.
you didn't address my question on the other post - why do you think the HK girl pressed him about Taiwan?
(Old Spike)
Press him? She asked him a question. I don't know what she expected him to do, but I expected him to answer her question. Instead he behaved very strangely. This led to a new question: Why the weird behavior dude? No answer so far but I haven't checked today.
(Old Spike)
I gave you an answer to that in the other post.
He answered her question and she kept asking him about it. Watch it again. Why do you think the journalist from Hong Kong kept asking Bruce Aylward about Taiwan?
(Old Spike)
I answered in the other post. He didn't answer her question - he said all provinces of China are doing well. Taiwan is clearly not a province of China, so that's not an answer.
(Old Spike)
Taiwan is a province of China in every way that matters here.
I answered in the other post.
I can't find your answer. What did it say?...
Why do you think the journalist from Hong Kong kept asking Bruce Aylward about Taiwan?
(Long Spike)
taiwan's got its own government, military and economy. its a country in every way that matters
(Old Spike)
One side note from today's reporting: I asked WHO if there was anything else they would like to say about the Aylward Taiwan interview where he appeared to dodge several questions and they sent a statement alleging @RTHK re-shot the interview 1/
The matter of the interview was just one detail in a longer story. There was not room to print the entire statement. But am wondering if @rthk_enews or @yvonne_tg want to respond. 2/
Free speech in HK is under threat and RTHK was hit hard by pro-Beijing types for even asking about Taiwan. So the allegation is extra weighty. 3/
https://twitter.com/emilyrauhala/status/1250504156303052801