31 logical fallacies

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31 logical fallacies in 8 minutes

(arguing and thinky stuff) Keep some of these in mind for the next time SN heats up. hah Hope everyone is well. yes

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2 more fallacy fallacies i regularly hear:

 

the slippery slope fallacy fallacy: "if i give you a bonus then i have to give everyone in the division who contributed to the success a bonus also." "no you don't, that's a slippery slope fallacy." - it's a slippery slope but not a fallacious one.

 

the moving the goalpost fallacy fallacy: "global warming leads to loss of sea ice." "well the sea ice is increasing therefore global warming isn't happening." "yes this year but there's been much more glacier loss than sea ice gain so the total is still less." "glaciers now? you're moving the goalposts!" - the goalposts haven't been moved, they were always there, but not all had been brought up from the start.

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I think the MOST REPEATED logical fallacy on Spiked is the cum hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "with this, therefore because of this," and "false cause."

 

The argument goes something like this.

 

SoyBoy - "Hey Full, I know you're defending the inalienable right of free people to own an effective means of defense, and I'm gon' let you finish, but look at the correlation between this short cherry picked list of majority white European countries (excluding Switzerland) with historically low crime rates.  Now look at all their very draconian laws disarming their so-called free citizens from owning weapons.  There is a clear correlation between my cherry picked list of countries with draconian weapon laws and low crime, therefore you are a terrible child murder who jerks off to NRA photos of guns if you do not agree with my claim that draconian weapon laws lead to low crime rate."

 

Fullauto - "What about Mexico?  They have draconian laws and a far higher crime rate than the US."

 

SoyBoy - "You can't count them because they are brown, which makes YOU a RACIST, so checkmate!"

 

Fullauto -

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Aren't you making the same hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy?

 

"More guns in the hands of people, therefore people are safer." 

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No.  Your response would be an example of the Straw Man fallacy.

My argument is that crime is not correlated to the availability of arms, ergo Mexico.  A lot more violent crime than the US with a fraction of available arms.

A firearm in the hand of the individual equates to greater individual security; freedom from, or resilience against, potential harm from external forces.

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A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, "Be thou a slave;" who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.

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- Cesare Beccaria, An Essay on Crimes & Punishments, translated from the Italian with a commentary, attributed to M. de Voltaire, translated from the French (New York: Stephen Gould, 1809), 124-25.
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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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Well care to explain the subtle difference in what I said (that you called a straw man) and what you actually stand for.

Because you basically just repeated what I said and added a long ass quote from some ancient dude. 

 

Is there actually something to support the idea that more gun = more safety and freedom.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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