CCP Hiding Massive Death Toll

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trooper_trent's picture

We were talking about this at work

millions of cell phone accounts suddenly stop having activity or being paid for.

https://www.rcrwireless.com/20200327/business/chinese-operators-lose-21-million-subscribers

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sal9000's picture
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kinda matches with a guy on twitter saying one crematorium had 14.5 million cell phones

 

https://thebl.com/world-news/wuhan-crematoriums-have-collected-22-millio...

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danmanjones's picture

The idea that millions of Chinese have died from corona & yet no information has come out of China (where over 10% of people have VPN) is ridiculous. The economy was put on hold, meaning a lot of migrant workers who use 2 mobile subscriptions cancelled their plans in the region they work in to save money. Some of the cancelled plans are people switching over to 5G, which they have in a lot of major cities now. Some probably cancelled their plans or their kids plans because, ya know, the economy was put on hold. They didn't give as much money out as some Western countries are doing. Just a rent-free month & some tax rebates. It's not exactly prosperous times there rn. Small business owners have been squeezed, like is going to happen in our countries.

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sato's picture

it has. people have gone to crematoria and posted pictures of what they saw.

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danmanjones's picture

Right, I'll just take your word for it. The guy who thought there was a fraudster in Australia was a Chinese spy & HK cops are terrorists who dress up as civilians & assault people to make protesters look bad. I guess since a credible guy like you says there's pictures of a crematorium that proves beyond doubt that the PRC govt is lying about the virus death toll. Glad that was settled.

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sato's picture

you know quite well there's no need to take my word for it because my word is based on pictures and other information which you and anyone else is free to find.

ad hominum logical fallacy doesn't make any of it fake.

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danmanjones's picture

This is the 2nd Falun Gong-backed piece on the site with the recent flood of China Bad bullshit. Of the others, one was from RFA, a CIA offshoot & the other 2 were from anti-China disinfo youtubers Serpentza & Laowhy86.

 

This video claims that the CCP is saying "everything is fine inside China". That's a silly strawman. Most regions are still under some form of lockdown with far stricter protocols than any other country - mandatory mask wearing & temperature checks to enter any public space, widespread testing, quarantining, travel restrictions etc.

 

The urn story was sourced from above mentioned CIA offshoot RFA & the conclusion that the large urn deliveries are some kind of proof that the CCP is lying isn't supported by the facts at all. They were locked down for months without any funeral services happening so of course they need a bunch of urns now.

 

We'll never know how many corona +ve people died without being tested - this is not proof the govt is lying though, obviously. It's the same in every country. Compared to most other countries the China figures are far more accurate. Japan for example has been deliberately not testing people & chosen instead to treat the symptoms, which they're well setup to do but not implementing a widespread testing & tracing regime is going to fuck them in the long run. According to some analysis Japan's death toll from corona is about 10X higher than has been reported. In China it's nowhere near this because they've had widespread testing & tracing since late January before it was peaking & have got domestic cases to zero now.

 

For scale, China has been conducting 1.5 million tests per week whereas the US is now carrying out less than 70,000 per week. China has 4X larger population than US but conducts 21X more tests each week. Who's covering up what?

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sato's picture

ad hominem.

your comment is backed by a foreign government so it can't be trusted as factual. it's just pro-china disinformation.

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danmanjones's picture

1. What part of what I said is "ad hominem"?

 

2. I'm not sure what you mean by "backed by a foreign government", you've refused to tell me what country you're from, but this site is owned by a Canadian. Here is the Canadian government endorsing China's figures:

 

3. That "your comment is backed by a foreign government" assertion is beyond retarded. My comment said a bunch of different things. Don't worry though, you're in likeminded company on here, you got thumbs up for being a retard.

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danmanjones's picture

Running away from the convo again sato?

 

 

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monkeymania's picture

??? Not enough CHINA GOOD?

 

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sal9000's picture
Master Mind

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danmanjones's picture

Unnamed sources... LOL, when will you dummies learn how to interpret Western media. It's like you're willfully ignorant & beyond reproach.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html

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danmanjones's picture

Canada's part of the conspiracy!

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acdc51502112's picture

you know the Canadian government did basically nothing because they bowed their head to the WHO and were letting in flights from China up until this week?

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monkeymania's picture

Baby steps: It has now been established that there IS a conspiracy.

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danmanjones's picture

Bit late for baby steps bruv.

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monkeymania's picture

Dinminnnnnnn, come on now. I don't debate your CCP dogma anymore and everyone should just let you have your internet seizures by yourself, but sorry, noone believes the numbers from your bosses. You are pretty funny actually but debating you is like telling Mao that people were starving during The Greay Leap Forward when tens of millions of people were dying, a complete waste of time. Have fun.

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danmanjones's picture

LOL. You've made a claim about something that you say has happened - without a shred of evidence, kinda like when you were ramming home the RussiaGate conspiracy theory.

 

My quote is from January 31st and wasn't far off for the China total. It's a future prediction (for the record I've never claimed to have a crystal ball) & also gave advice on how to prepare just in case which is an obvious caveat, unlike this bold claim which is a statement of fact:

 

At least you can know that you're not alone with these crazy theories - your post shot to the front page. The China Bad cult must have been thirsty huh?

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Csmack's picture

I hope Xi sees his bro.

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Fullauto223cal's picture

Danmanjones, I don't know if you're self-aware to notice, but your apparent fawning over the CCP is pretty damn obvious.  I'm not here to insult you over that, I'm merely curious how you are connected to the Communist Party of China since the last I heard you actually live in New Zeland?

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I have no real connection to CCP. I just like to debunk lies, particularly the ones that are rooted in Washington, whether the State Dept, deep state or their lackies in the corporate media. Turns out there's a lot of resistance on here trying to uphold the lies about China so it's kind of become a thing. Funny none of the liars are ever asked why they do it.

 

Since Obama's "pivot to Asia" (China containment strategy) in 2011 the brainwashing has built up to this point where nobody is supposed to question this shit apparently. Threats of being labelled a shill etc come from all directions from anyone who points out what a load of shite it is. It also goes back to cold war propaganda & other things like orientalism but that's another story for another time.

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Fullauto223cal's picture

I agree that one should not swallow what comes out of Government hook line and sinker.  Governments and agencies within them all have agendas, which is why I discounted all the Russian bullshit that was shit out by leftists in the US Government when their preferred bitch lost to Trump.  Is everything being said about the CCP 100% accurate, of course not.  Is most of the horrible shit about the CCP true?  I'd venture to say yes.

 

If you're honest about just "debunking lies" then will you at least admit that the CCP are also liars, espectially when it comes to the COVID-19 situation?  Will you agree that they lied about it existing, and then about it's ability to spread and now they're lying about the number of infected and dead in their country?  Ignore the accusations about mass body burnings and shit, just that whatever numbers they are feeding the world, they're intentionally feeding wrong numbers.

Also, do you agree that Taiwan is an independent nation?  Or is that a "lie" in need of debunking as well?

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Will you agree that they lied about it existing

No, I've looked pretty closely at what happened in December leading up to the alert sent to the WHO on Dec 31 when all they knew was that a new virus had been identified a few days earlier & there were 27 cases of people with pneumonia of unknown causes & don't know of any lies that were being told about the existence of these cases of pneumonia.

 

and then about it's ability to spread

The jury's still out on that, I don't know enough to say yes or no with certainty. I lean towards yeah there was some fuckery going on for about 1-2 weeks in early January in Hubei but can't say for sure. There are protocols to follow when investigating a new virus & determining its properties, incl 'human-to-human transmission'. This is way outside my area expertise but it doesn't just happen on a whim. How long it's supposed to take compared to how long it took, this is the question. There are a couple of authorities in Wuhan who've been sacked for slowing things down so I'll go with yeah, there was some fuckery but it was from the regional authorities, not 'China' or 'the CCP'. China is more decentralised than the US & if a bunch of idiots in California put through a stupid bill I don't pretend that represents the US govt or America unless I'm trying to be a dick. Washington DC is a special kind of shithole, almost unrelated to the assholes who run the states there.

 

and now they're lying about the number of infected and dead in their country

I don't agree. There's a large propaganda campaign being waged to make people think this is the case but there's been nothing close to proof yet. The CIA is on the ground in China trying to dig anything they can up to prove it but haven't been able to so far - and you gotta know they have assets all over that place.

 

Also, do you agree that Taiwan is an independent nation

No. It's a puppet of the US, far from being independent. The word 'nation' is too fuzzy & becomes kinda subjective. Taiwan is a province of China. This isn't an opinion, it's what's written in the constitution of both ROC & PRC. There are just 14 countries who recognize ROC sovereignty over Taiwan & yours isn't one of them. If you think Taiwan is an independent country & feel strongly enough to say so you kinda make a fool of yourself to be perfectly honest. It's just not true. I don't know what the future holds for Taiwan or Korea, it's really up to them & we should probably stay out of it, especially the US. You guys need to get back to your side of the Pacific, you're just causing trouble over here. You'll never contain China, your future is to cooperate with them & the power balance will be on their side. If you want war they'll fight, & your strategists know this. Let's all stop pretending your country is destined to rule the world. It's a baby civilisation with a bad attitude, it should stay the fuck in its lane & fix its own problems. /rant

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Fullauto223cal's picture

I apprciate your honest answer and admitting you are in fact a shill of the Chinese Communist party.

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danmanjones's picture

Labels are a cop out. So far you've called be a jew-hater & now a shill for the CCP. It's kinda pathetic the way people get personal when their ideological mumbo jumbo is threatened.

 

Being too brainwashed to admit the achievments of the PRC is strange. These coming decades are gonna be rough for you guys.

 

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Fullauto223cal's picture

Labels are excellent tools for categorizing and summarizing where someone stands.  When I called you a hater of the Jews in Israel, I did so after you made it clear that was your position.  It's the GRAVAMAN, the material or significant part of the complaint.  You hate Jews, even if you make excptions for Jews who agree with you.  Likewise I called you shill for the CCP after your response made it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that you are in fact shilling for the CCP.  I could have swapped you for Xi Jinping himself and nothing in the response would have changed.  So you can call it whatever you like.  I think you're just frustrated that I'm not going to try and change your mind; and your right, I don't care.  I'm satisfied with having you clarify what you are, a shill for a Communist Dictatorship.

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Xi Jinping is a smart guy. He's not a sketchy real estate developer who talks like a 3rd grade teacher. Trump wouldn't get to run a village library in China let alone the country. Biden would be forced into retirement by now or investigated for his obvious corruption.

 

China isn't a communist dictatorship, it's a democratic dictatorship. The US is a corporate dictatorship beyond the point of no return. Voting every 4 years for dickhead #1 or dickhead #2 doesn't change a thing, nor do those precious guns when people would rather bitch about SJWs, Muslims & Chinese than use them as intended. 

 

Call me whatever you like FullAuto, it doesn't change the fact that your beloved Israel is a shitstain on this planet, or that the plutocratic dump you live in is going to magically right its course.

 

End of the day, labels are meaningless. If you need to resort to ad hominem you have nothing worthwhile to say.

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sal9000's picture
Master Mind

your stubbornness is causing you to remain ignorant, and come across like a dumb cunt

You're just proving yourself to be a dumb cunt.

That's when you enter the realm of being a dumb cunt.

you're just too much of a dumb cunt to look past what's immediately in front of you.

you come at me with a bunch of dumb shit because you're a dumb cunt.

You're such a dumb cunt you can't even make the connection

you oughta try being less of a dumb cunt, you might enjoy it

they're spiteful dumb cunts, just like the uploader

So many details from the "mass imprisonment of an estimated two million Uyghurs" dumb cunt.

You're an intellectually dishonest dumb cunt.

sal9000 is an intellectually dishonest dumb cunt, a spade is a spade

 

31 days, 6 threads, 11 dumb cunts not counting changing my status.

 

labels have meaning, when used by someone who's words have value

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danmanjones's picture

quiet down in the cheap seats

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monkeymania's picture

大家为人民民主专政加油!

 

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lawngnome's picture

Hmmmm,  where did the newest Nathan Rich video go?  

 

The one that was saying THC Vaping illnesses from blackmarket vitamin E is related to the coronavirus outbreak... 

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danmanjones's picture

voted off the site by the Spiked Snowflake Squad

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lawngnome's picture

It just went poof and disapeared? 

 

 

In one of the comments, you were asking why the CDC is being all secretive with meetings.

 

Well, it turns out the CDC is pretty much owned by Bill Gates.

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It wasn't so much the CDC being secretive. The Whitehouse ordered the HHS to make the CDC meetings classified. The CDC was also ordered not to discuss cv publicly without approving their statements with Pence's taskforce.

 

Ron Paul has been quite critical of some things on this, I stopped listening to him about cv a while back because I disagree with his take & hear the same stuff from other right wing sources... they basically wanted to put business first & just let the thing spread. I think that's a bad call. Once they started with that narrative they tend to continue it or risk losing face, just sometimes they try to bend it as more data comes out, turning it into "people are pannicking too much, media is terrible" or some crap. Business as usual was the wrong approach to this ever since community spread began IMO. Before that the smart thing to do was treat ports of entry as quarantine zones & be super vigilant about not letting it into the country.

 

I'll tune back into Ron Paul when he has something to say about international relations. I like his anti-war stance & he has good knowledge of how things work inside the various factions of govt.

 
Fauci is on a board of some Gates Foundation virus thing, I don't see that as a big deal. I think he generally does an okay job but is hampered a lot by the higher ups. If he thought it would help he'd probably resign. I don't trust Bill Gates, he's a sheisty businessman. Not sure what he's up to with all that vaccine stuff but am suspicious he wants a sweet vaccine patent. I think he owns some vaccine companies or something & his 'philanthropy' is more like an investment & possibly even a way to avoid tax.

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