fleeing 16 year old gets headshotted by cop

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danmanjones's picture

the fence was life threatening, he had no choice but to murder that guy.

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Nakey's picture
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man i'd hate to see that cop at the local school carnival when the 100 meter sprint is on.

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Fullauto223cal's picture

And then you look at little deeper into the facts of the case and find the following....

"Former Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said back in March 2018 that an internal police investigation determined that “Sgt. Villalvazo’s actions were within department policy,” and that the shooting was justified because the teen was wanted for the murder of 19-year-old Eugenio Ybarra, who died a day prior to the Murrietta-Golding shooting."

 

When a murder suspect flees from police and then makes any gesture that the pursuing officer may interpret as an attempt to draw a weapon, they’re very likely going to be shot, especially when the suspect is presumed to be armed. As Isaiah Murrietta and his brother were believed to be the shooters in the killing of Eugenio Ybarra the day before, assuming they were armed and dangerous was logical.

 

Isaiah Murrietta could have simply surrendered, but he chose to run instead and greatly increased the danger to himself and the pursuing officers.

 

As folks note from time to time, “when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.”

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sal9000's picture
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And then you look a little deeper into the facts of the case and find the following....

 

“And for the chief to make a comment that it was justified to shoot Isiah because he was considered a possible suspect, it’s not the place of the police to make that determination and without a trial."

 

that statement reminds me of something you've said.

 

And then you look a little deeper into the comments from the past and you find this, from you. from the dallas cops killed a guy post

 

"This is bullshit, it's not up to medical examiners to pass judgement, that's why juries are formed.  The DA pussed out.  The video is obvious evidence that they showed careless disregard for the health and wellbeing of the suspect they had in their custody"

 

"These assholes deprived the man of his life without due process.  Therefore they obviously acted in contradiction to the principles set for in the Constitution."

 

is it a race thing? dallas cops shot a white guy. fresno cops shot a spanish/portuguese kid. or you just practicing flip flopping?

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Dude's picture

“And for the chief to make a comment that it was justified to shoot Isiah because he was considered a possible suspect, it’s not the place of the police to make that determination and without a trial."

 

-I agree with that, but why was he running? and it looked like he was reaching in / holding up his pants, as a murder suspect you should do neither of both and let it up to judge as you say, to prove your innocence.

If you run away, and yell "you never take me alive cop" while being suspected of gun violence reaching in your pants, you might get shot.

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sato's picture

i dunno sal, FA's case that it's different when it's someone wanted for murder holds up pretty well IMO.

also from the bit you're quoting, it sounds like the suspect FA was referring to in that comment was already in custody, thus there is no public safety issue, which is a second difference with this case where the risk is a murderer at large.

at least 2 ways this case is not equivalent.

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Fullauto223cal's picture

Thank you.

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Fullauto223cal's picture

Nothing you quoted there contradicts what I wrote regarding this case.  I don't care what your skin color is, if you're wanted for murder and trying to flee arrest then you should expect to catch a round in the back.  This particular cop just happened to have really good aim when he shot at a fleeing murder suspect.

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daftcunt's picture

I think your argument may be valid if the teen had been fleeing the scene immediately after the killing.

 

Let's face it, the guy fired because he (unlike his colleague) was unfit to climb the fence. The teen died due to the appauling training and mental as well as physical fitness requirements for US police officers.

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sato's picture

that may be so, but it doesn't charge the fact that a murder suspect was fleeing from police. if he hadn't tried to escape arrest there wouldn't have been a fence to climb over in th first place.

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daftcunt's picture

Of course this is a grey area but he might as well have been someone looking like the suspect who ran because he had a minor amount of a controlled substance on him or something similar. 

 

 

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Fullauto223cal's picture

My argument is valid because I understand the "Fleeing felon rule" under United States law.

According to David Caplan "Immediate stopping of the fleeing felon, whether actually or presumably dangerous, was deemed absolutely necessary for the security of the people in a free state, and for maintaining the "public security." ... " Indeed, it has been said that the social policy of the common law in this matter was not only to threaten dangerous felons and hence deter them, but was also to induce them to "surrender peaceably" if they dared commit inherently dangerous felonies, rather than allow them to "escape trial for their crimes."

 

Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."[2]

A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.

— Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]

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daftcunt's picture

thanks, that clears things up.

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sal9000's picture
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just to make things a bit more clear. the above statement from fullauto. it only came to be because in 1985 a tennessee cop was responding to a burglary, he encountered a 15 year old who was running and stopped him at gunpoint. he could see the kid didnt have a gun. so when the kid turned and started to climb the fence, the cop shot and killed him. the kid stole 10$. the court ruled that the cop had no reason to believe the kid posed any threat to anyone.

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ubershin's picture

honestly we didn't really lose someone who was critical to the advancements of humans (he was a gangbanger) so it really doesnt matter at the end of the day. case closed now lets talk about border walls

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daftcunt's picture

between mexico and colorado?

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