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stokkebye's picture

"Nazi's"???

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

yup

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whm2whm3

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Coming from the same group that says Pepe the frog and the OK hand sign is white supremacy symbols.

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

"Coming from the same group..."

Fail.

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stokkebye's picture

Antidefamation league are basically the same people. 

"...The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), formerly known as the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, is an international Jewish non-governmental organization based in the United States..."

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

what's that got to do with anything?

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stokkebye's picture

Those antihate groups will call anything or anyone a hate group for the flimsiest of evidence borderline absurdity, yet here you are, referencing them to make your argument and prove your point. As I keep saying, show me the proof. Not some bullshit symbols that look similar or some anti-hate group who act like the libtards running around calling everyone a nazi. Prove it or GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT BS!!! Your own cited source for "proof" said it was Russian propaganda for fucks sake.

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

"yet here you are, referencing [antihate groups]"

no I'm not

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stokkebye's picture

Now at the start of all this shit I thought, well maybe, Im not there, who the fuck am I to know. And I waited for some evidence, some proof, I saw none, Then I keep seeing you say it and the Russians saying it. SO now Im calling bullshit.

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whm2whm3

There's evidence right in front of your face & you (falsely) associate it with anti-hate groups.

When you're being wilfully ignorant you can't blame anyone but yourself.

West Point Academy's Center for Counterterrorism report from 2020 features Azov in the neo-Nazi section of their report, you can read it if you like...

https://ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/CTC-SENTINEL-042020.pdf

Is Westpoint an anti-hate group?

The leader & co-founder of Azov is also the head of a neo-Nazi political party, National Corps. But then I'm sure you knew that because you've "waited for some evidence".

Go to the National Corps wikipedia page now & they've scrubbed the neo-Nazi stuff from it. That doesn't change what they are though. It was there as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Western media's making a lot of attempts to whitewash these guys. I dgaf if you or the western press wants to call them something different, or if politically-driven "anti-hate" groups & shitlibs have abused the term before. They are what they are.

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You fucking hypocrite! You talk so much about western propaganda and shit yet you cite a source from them! LOLOLOL

"Tim Lister is a journalist with CNN who has covered multiple conflicts in the past decade in the Middle East and Ukraine"

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

You consider West Point Academy's Center for Counterterrorism a western propaganda outlet?

It's part of the US govt.

 

If I dig up a Russian govt security report that talks about Azov & other facist/Nazi groups in Ukraine will you accept it?

 

Here's an India media outlet on Azov:

 

The military uniforms of the Azov feature Nazi insignia and its fighters have been photographed with tattoos of Nazi symbols such as the swastika. On the eve of the launch of National Corps, its members took out a Nazi-style raised-fist, torch-lit march through the streets of Kyiv. Members of the Azov militia also do street patrols where, in the name of enforcing what it calls ‘Ukrainian order’, they have been known to attack Roma and other ethnic minorities, and LBGT events. The Ukrainian National Guard has released videos of Azov fighters greasing bullets with pig fat, apparently for use against the Muslim Chechens fighting among the Russian forces.

 

Rights violations

Different human rights bodies, including the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and Amnesty International, have accused Azov fighters, along with those form other volunteer battalions, of human rights violations, including torture, kidnappings, and extra-judicial executions. Over the years, the U.S. stance on the Azov has swung between proscription (driven by acknowledgement of its neo-Nazi politics) and sly collaboration (on the grounds of geopolitical pragmatism). In 2015, the U.S Congress passed a resolution stating that military aid for Ukraine cannot be used for funding, arming or training the Azov Battalion. But in 2016, the ban was rolled back, reportedly under Pentagon pressure. Since then, there have been unsuccessful efforts by Congress members — one of whom has described it as a “neo-Nazi paramilitary militia” — to designate the Azov as a ‘Foreign Terrorist Organisation’. For all that, Azov social media channels are rife with videos of militia members training with American-made weapons.

 

Similar contradictions were also on display, for instance, in the way Facebook has reacted to the Azov. In 2016, it designated the Azov battalion a “dangerous organisation”. In 2019, it placed the Azov in the same category as the Islamic State (IS) and banned it. But after the Russian invasion on February 24, Facebook reversed the ban, allowing expressions of praise for the Azov. Significantly, the Azov has always had a pan-Ukrainian dimension, with documented links to American white supremacist groups such as the Rise Above Movement (RAM). It has volunteer fighters from different parts of Europe. It regularly conducts military training camps for civilians, including children, and has tried to build a ‘cool’ sub-culture around nationalism, militarism and physical sports – its mixed martial arts tournaments are quite popular. Its spokespersons have reiterated their intent to eventually ‘take over’ Kyiv and have said Ukraine needs a dictator to set things right.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-azov-battalion-the-neo-nazis-of-ukraine/article65239935.ece

are you going to reject what's written there?

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stokkebye's picture

You realize I supported Trump right? Who was being taken down by the deep state and government and media. I read the article. Besides a few people online posting nazi shit and whatnot, all I see is the Azov's being right wing and nationalistic. Same reason they called anyone who supported Trump a right-wing nazi is the same reason YOU and the propaganda machine calls Azov's nazis. JUST LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!!! You are a fucking hypocrite dude! 

CNN journalist, BWAHAHAHA!!! 

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stokkebye's picture

My guy, I am under no delusions that my government and the media is a propaganda machine, but so is yours, You are the one in denial of that fact. Im not the one citing either one of them or even following their bs. Im calling you out for doing that.

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

bury your jead in the sand with random excuses to not see what's in front of your face.

nice.

 

don't forget to make lame attempts to spin it around on me or some other random shit like another country that your ignornant ass knows nothing about. fuck outa here dude.

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stokkebye's picture

The hindu article says the same shit as the CNN journalist. Unless they are taking an oath to bring back the third Reich get the fuck out of here with that nazi bullshit. 

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whm2whm3

"Unless they are taking an oath to bring back the third Reich"

that's pretty much their agenda, they want to lead a European conquest based on white supremacy against the "Jewish led" something or other (a concept similar to untermensch but adapted to their conditions). The roots of their ideology traces directly to Nazi Germany. Somehow they differentiate themselves from what they call "Moscovites" even though they're both slavic. They're weirdos & they are Nazis. Look at Azov's logo ffs. It has 2 Nazi symbols in it. Are you gonna insist they get a dictator in power with a tiny moustache before you stop bitching about them being called Nazis or what?

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redd2

Marvelously well informed. Why aren't you leading your nation? NZ is it? No wait, why don't you tell everyone here the truth about where you are really from?

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