Huawei Suing US Govt

danmanjones's picture

China says Huawei suing US government is 'absolutely appropriate'

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My 2c: I doubt they'll win but it's likely a ploy to show the rest of the world that the US govt is full of shit when they accuse them of spying for the CCP. If the US can't prove their claims in court it'll be like a clean bill of health for Huawei's telco gear. Even if the US never uses Huawei there are loads of countries (like mine) being arm-twisted to refuse Huawei gear in our future telco infrastructure, even though we've already been using it for years.

 

Additional 3 cents: I think each country should have their own internet with full autonomy & run our own versions of Amazon, Google, FB etc. Otherwise we're going to be pumping megabucks into the US economy just to trade this century. Why are local businesses advertising to local people paying an American firm for that privelage? We all need Great Firewalls. I think China's great firewall is their best asset (after their people), even though they probably set it up for sketchy reasons. It's not just about advertising $$ either, in the information age, we're being harvested for our behaviours online & that big data is highly valuable. We're giving it all away for free to companies in California.

 

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GKhan's picture

"have their own internet with full autonomy & run our own versions of Amazon, Google, FB etc"

The trade off for this governance will be innovation. Once each government has their own flavor, they will specialize it and add bizaree rules and make it harder and harder for countries to interact with each other. We are getting to a place where technology is driving society and the growth of humanity, yes there are trade-offs and we are learning how best to manage that from spending too much time on our phones to self driving cars killing people but to let governments dictate the future will result in global stagnation.

 

As a side thought, if China really beleives spying on people is so valuable, I wonder what the gain would be vs not spying and becoming the most trusted technology source on the planet. Building trust in China technology could aid the deployment of it's technology and thus enconomic takeover much faster.

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danmanjones's picture

I think the US just wants to block Huawei because they see it as a battle for global influence. Ideally they'd just cooperate but I think the War Party redacted that word from their dictionaries.

 

All governments spy. The US has the entire internet on lock.

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Woodsman's picture

I basically always assumed that every country tries to spy on everyone else, and doesn't it like it when they return the favour so they will try to put up measures to try stop it.  Either way I think its just the way the world is and you can't blame the US for wanting to prevent a Chinese country from having so much potential control over communications infrastructure.

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danmanjones's picture

Governments spy for military intelligence, this is normal & accepted.

Governments spy for diplomatic espionage, this is frowned upon, espeically amongst allies, but is also normal.

Private companies spy for industrial espionage, this is against the law & people get prosecuted for it. These cases are rare but it happens.

 

The allegation that a government is using private companies to spy for any reason is extremely serious & requires more proof than mere assumption. It's tough to prove it without hacking that government & tracing the ties or a whistleblower stepping foward but it still has to be innocent until proven guilty.

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GKhan's picture

Nice summary.

WRT to 'tough to prove', I recall a friend told me about this mall in china that was full of shops that would sell pirated software that looked liked the real thing. Packaged in the exact same packaging, same imprint on CDs/DVDs, everything except the price. Of course China was not allowed to support this behaviour and so they would come to the mall and crack down on all the pirating going on. The only thing is that the mall would always be closed for that day when the authorities came...

 

I am pretty skeptical of Chinese hardware companies here. Even when it is a main vendors's partner's partner helping to fullfill demand that let's small hacking chips slip onto motherboards, to say that someone in the main vendor had no idea...meh.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

 

Not sure what the solution is, except maybe multiple processing and validation of output.

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