No longer autorized because the pandemic is over, no need for over medication, would that make sense?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
The last thing big pharma is concerned about is over medication.
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Dude (Old Spike)
is it? then why put a few feet of paper with every one of their product?
Why did the uploader remove the video?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
You mean a blank piece of paper with these gene therapy shots in particular.
Who knows why he removed it.
Knowing this guy. He likely didn't remove it, Youtube removed it and claimed he did.
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Dude (Old Spike)
yeh.... sure
Or he claims big bad youtube removed it, to fit his narrative, the victims of the big corporations the supression of mankind, and so on.....
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
He didn't claim that. I said that is a possibility.
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Dude (Old Spike)
But it is not possible for Trump to end up in prison.
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GKhan (Old Spike)
Yeah, seems they are just stopping use of the old ones and standardizing on the new ones. I expect because the new ones will be more effective towards newer strains.
Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration amended the emergency use authorizations (EUAs) of the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccines to simplify the vaccination schedule for most individuals. This action includes authorizing the current bivalent vaccines (original and omicron BA.4/BA.5 strains) to be used for all doses administered to individuals 6 months of age and older, including for an additional dose or doses for certain populations. The monovalent Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines are no longer authorized for use in the United States.
When mutation occurs in nature, it loses abilities. Doesn't gain them. So the new resistant strain theory is false. No need for updated Gene therapy for Covid. Besides, the pandemic is over, the president signed the paper that told the virus to go away. Kind of like when we would mask at the restaurant door, but when seated we take off the masks because the virus goes to sleep.
They are backing off on these shots cause we are demanding punishment for the amount of people these vaccines killed and injured.
They are buying time to get treaties passed with the WHO and U.N. that grant ultimate authority away from our elected officials and over to these un elected committees instead over future pandemic responses and emergencies they intend to cause.
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Dude (Old Spike)
The one sold in the past were effective for the time, antibacterial and antivirus is updated all the time to keep up.
Mutation is a balance, what you gain in one you loose in another, so it is not bullshit.
President signed nothing like that, maybe some proof for your claims.
You can't eat with a mask on....
They stopped making them because the pandemic is over, they did not ban them, they are just not sold anymore
You take things out of context to fit your own narrative of paranoia, you have a very dark skewed view of everything.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
"Mutation is a balance, what you gain in one you loose in another"
No, it actually doesn't work like that. You can't oscillate between evolution and intelligent design when it suits you. If the virus mutates, that points to the school of evolution. Which means there is no container or cap of how many abilities something can have. Which your idea of if you gain one you must lose another insinuates. Also, within that school of thought, mutations follow a trend of losing function as opposed to gaining function.
"They stopped making them because the pandemic is over, they did not ban them, they are just not sold anymore"
Really now. Canada ordered doses through to 2025.
"You take things out of context to fit your own narrative of paranoia, you have a very dark skewed view of everything."
All in due time you will understand. However, It may be much too late by the time you do.
Also, That proof you were asking for.
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Whatever at least we are not discussing if evolution is a fact, we are just discussing if there is tradeoff, you see evolution as decline i see it as tradeoff and adaption - from the strong but stupid neanderthal to the modern man, but since you are a god believer you don't believe we came from monkeys and apes.. so i am going to leave you at it.
Neither did the president signed it TO BE GONE but whatever i will leave you at it, it feels like i am talking to a monkey
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
You're claiming that the modern day office dweller is smarter than the hunter, builder, and inventor that nearly every man had to fill in ancient times? Man hasn't been put through the adaptive circumstances that would force him to grow on the individual level. There is not really evidence we are getting smarter individually. But plenty that we are degenerating.
You wouldn't accept that the pandemic is over unless some official made some kind of declaration and signed something. Just as you would have never believed there was a pandemic if the same caliber of individuals wouldn't have made a song and dance about it.
Biden didn't even want to sign this order, but was compelled to do so. So is the pandemic over really?
That's what I'm getting at.
I have seen no evidence of a pandemic besides charts, fear mongering, and crises actors really.
No live sample has ever been isolated except in monkey kidney cells and fed through a simulation. Whenever a live sample was requested in court cases as evidence it has never been provided.
The only way you would know if you have it is by using a test that the creator himself explicitly stated should never be used to diagnose illness.
The virus also violated koch's postulates which been an established standard diagnosis template for 200 years. 1 virus does not change that, as logic never operates on anecdotes.
You are going on more faith than the most ardent of religious believers.
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are you done?
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Viruses and bacteria do gain new beneficial traits over time. 99.99% of those mutations are neutral or bad, but it doesn't really matter when there are trillions of bacteria around. The ones that get a beneficial mutation will again spread and take over.
Here a short video how it works IRL
But yeah, this is why vaccinating the whole world isn't a good idea if the vaccine isn't close to 100% effective and even if it was 100% effective you should use it only with those who are at risk. Just like antibiotics.
Otherwise, you're just giving the virus a huge "petri dish" to evolve in. A little bit of resistance will make it evolve, but not kill it.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
doing the leaky vaccine loop again?
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backdraft (Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Yes. And now there is even a video to spell it out for you.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
bro, i posted it two years ago. https://www.spikednation.com/videos/bacteria-evolution-petri-dish , it doesn't help your argument because bacteria doesn't require a host, virus do and were that host. any argument you want to make, is essentially arguing to give the virus more available hosts and more chances to evolve
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Virus or bacteria, doesn't matter. It's in the host that most of the evolution happens as there it gets the pressure to evolve.
There is a reason why we try to avoid the overuse of antibiotics. There's also a reason why some vaccines have been very successful and others not so much.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
i'm going to start with it but i'm also going to explain why. you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics is common, virus' becoming resistant to vaccines are rare
bacteria is a living organism on its own, where as a virus is produced by our own cells that have been hijacked
antibiotics are used to kill bacteria you already have, vaccines are used to stimulate an antiviral response before you get a virus
bacteria becomes resistant because the bacteria that survives the antibiotics, propagates and spreads. where as the ineffectiveness of a vaccine is because the recipients body didn't produce the proper immune response or in the few rare cases in history, the vaccine didn't target enough viral serotypes(cells that look a certain way on the outside that you can specifically target through antibodies), regardless, for the reasons that vaccination resistance is rare, the virus you do spread, isn't a virus that's resistant to the vaccine
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Thank you for the biology lesson. Again be it a virus or a bacteria, evolution happens in both cases. The more fit variants survive and go on to spread and become predominant.
Just like this video said, they are dropping the old vaccine, and that's because of the new strains. I think there have been about 10 variants of COVID now. The old vaccine worked better for earlier variants but it's not so effective against Omicron, which has become dominant (or at least was some time ago).
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i didn't watch the video, i'm only here because of what you said. things evolve and vaccines are modified to to adjust for those changes. but you likened virus' gaining resistant to vaccines like bacteria does with antibiotics, which isn't the case. virus don't become resistant to vaccines. vaccines do many things while antibiotics do one thing
what are you basing you're opinion on because it sure as shit ain't reality. it seems more like its based on what you don't know
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"virus don't become resistant to vaccines."
So I shouldn't find any legit research looking into if covid vaccines can affect the virus's evolution in becoming more resistant?
Correct?
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I'd like to posit, what if it's not an issue of mutation, but an issue of multiplication.
In the case of bacteria. When you take an anti biotic you are basically dropping an indiscriminate bacteria bomb that kills both bad bacteria and good bacteria alike.
If the bomb is insufficient, such as the course is too short for the infection or dose too small. Than much of the bad bacteria can remain and multiply, and since much good bacteria was also killed, which could be helpful in fighting the infection, it may create an better environment for bad bacteria to multiply and overwhelm.
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(Old Spike)
No longer autorized because the pandemic is over, no need for over medication, would that make sense?
(Old Spike)
The last thing big pharma is concerned about is over medication.
(Old Spike)
is it? then why put a few feet of paper with every one of their product?
Why did the uploader remove the video?
(Old Spike)
You mean a blank piece of paper with these gene therapy shots in particular.
Who knows why he removed it.
Knowing this guy. He likely didn't remove it, Youtube removed it and claimed he did.
(Old Spike)
yeh.... sure
Or he claims big bad youtube removed it, to fit his narrative, the victims of the big corporations the supression of mankind, and so on.....
(Old Spike)
He didn't claim that. I said that is a possibility.
(Old Spike)
But it is not possible for Trump to end up in prison.
(Old Spike)
Yeah, seems they are just stopping use of the old ones and standardizing on the new ones. I expect because the new ones will be more effective towards newer strains.
Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration amended the emergency use authorizations (EUAs) of the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccines to simplify the vaccination schedule for most individuals. This action includes authorizing the current bivalent vaccines (original and omicron BA.4/BA.5 strains) to be used for all doses administered to individuals 6 months of age and older, including for an additional dose or doses for certain populations. The monovalent Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines are no longer authorized for use in the United States.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-changes-simplify-use-bivalent-mrna-covid-19-vaccines
(Old Spike)
So the old ones were not effective.
When mutation occurs in nature, it loses abilities. Doesn't gain them. So the new resistant strain theory is false. No need for updated Gene therapy for Covid. Besides, the pandemic is over, the president signed the paper that told the virus to go away. Kind of like when we would mask at the restaurant door, but when seated we take off the masks because the virus goes to sleep.
They are backing off on these shots cause we are demanding punishment for the amount of people these vaccines killed and injured.
They are buying time to get treaties passed with the WHO and U.N. that grant ultimate authority away from our elected officials and over to these un elected committees instead over future pandemic responses and emergencies they intend to cause.
(Old Spike)
The one sold in the past were effective for the time, antibacterial and antivirus is updated all the time to keep up.
Mutation is a balance, what you gain in one you loose in another, so it is not bullshit.
President signed nothing like that, maybe some proof for your claims.
You can't eat with a mask on....
They stopped making them because the pandemic is over, they did not ban them, they are just not sold anymore
You take things out of context to fit your own narrative of paranoia, you have a very dark skewed view of everything.
(Old Spike)
"Mutation is a balance, what you gain in one you loose in another"
Also, That proof you were asking for.No, it actually doesn't work like that. You can't oscillate between evolution and intelligent design when it suits you. If the virus mutates, that points to the school of evolution. Which means there is no container or cap of how many abilities something can have. Which your idea of if you gain one you must lose another insinuates. Also, within that school of thought, mutations follow a trend of losing function as opposed to gaining function.
"They stopped making them because the pandemic is over, they did not ban them, they are just not sold anymore"
Really now. Canada ordered doses through to 2025.
"You take things out of context to fit your own narrative of paranoia, you have a very dark skewed view of everything."
All in due time you will understand. However, It may be much too late by the time you do.
(Old Spike)
Whatever at least we are not discussing if evolution is a fact, we are just discussing if there is tradeoff, you see evolution as decline i see it as tradeoff and adaption - from the strong but stupid neanderthal to the modern man, but since you are a god believer you don't believe we came from monkeys and apes.. so i am going to leave you at it.
Neither did the president signed it TO BE GONE but whatever i will leave you at it, it feels like i am talking to a monkey
(Old Spike)
You're claiming that the modern day office dweller is smarter than the hunter, builder, and inventor that nearly every man had to fill in ancient times? Man hasn't been put through the adaptive circumstances that would force him to grow on the individual level. There is not really evidence we are getting smarter individually. But plenty that we are degenerating.
You wouldn't accept that the pandemic is over unless some official made some kind of declaration and signed something. Just as you would have never believed there was a pandemic if the same caliber of individuals wouldn't have made a song and dance about it.
Biden didn't even want to sign this order, but was compelled to do so. So is the pandemic over really?
That's what I'm getting at.
I have seen no evidence of a pandemic besides charts, fear mongering, and crises actors really.
No live sample has ever been isolated except in monkey kidney cells and fed through a simulation. Whenever a live sample was requested in court cases as evidence it has never been provided.
The only way you would know if you have it is by using a test that the creator himself explicitly stated should never be used to diagnose illness.
The virus also violated koch's postulates which been an established standard diagnosis template for 200 years. 1 virus does not change that, as logic never operates on anecdotes.
You are going on more faith than the most ardent of religious believers.
(Old Spike)
are you done?
(Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Viruses and bacteria do gain new beneficial traits over time. 99.99% of those mutations are neutral or bad, but it doesn't really matter when there are trillions of bacteria around. The ones that get a beneficial mutation will again spread and take over.
Here a short video how it works IRL
But yeah, this is why vaccinating the whole world isn't a good idea if the vaccine isn't close to 100% effective and even if it was 100% effective you should use it only with those who are at risk. Just like antibiotics.
Otherwise, you're just giving the virus a huge "petri dish" to evolve in. A little bit of resistance will make it evolve, but not kill it.
(Long Spike)
doing the leaky vaccine loop again?
(Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Yes. And now there is even a video to spell it out for you.
(Long Spike)
bro, i posted it two years ago. https://www.spikednation.com/videos/bacteria-evolution-petri-dish , it doesn't help your argument because bacteria doesn't require a host, virus do and were that host. any argument you want to make, is essentially arguing to give the virus more available hosts and more chances to evolve
(Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Virus or bacteria, doesn't matter. It's in the host that most of the evolution happens as there it gets the pressure to evolve.
There is a reason why we try to avoid the overuse of antibiotics. There's also a reason why some vaccines have been very successful and others not so much.
(Long Spike)
i'm going to start with it but i'm also going to explain why. you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics is common, virus' becoming resistant to vaccines are rare
bacteria is a living organism on its own, where as a virus is produced by our own cells that have been hijacked
antibiotics are used to kill bacteria you already have, vaccines are used to stimulate an antiviral response before you get a virus
bacteria becomes resistant because the bacteria that survives the antibiotics, propagates and spreads. where as the ineffectiveness of a vaccine is because the recipients body didn't produce the proper immune response or in the few rare cases in history, the vaccine didn't target enough viral serotypes(cells that look a certain way on the outside that you can specifically target through antibodies), regardless, for the reasons that vaccination resistance is rare, the virus you do spread, isn't a virus that's resistant to the vaccine
(Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Thank you for the biology lesson. Again be it a virus or a bacteria, evolution happens in both cases. The more fit variants survive and go on to spread and become predominant.
Just like this video said, they are dropping the old vaccine, and that's because of the new strains. I think there have been about 10 variants of COVID now. The old vaccine worked better for earlier variants but it's not so effective against Omicron, which has become dominant (or at least was some time ago).
(Long Spike)
i didn't watch the video, i'm only here because of what you said. things evolve and vaccines are modified to to adjust for those changes. but you likened virus' gaining resistant to vaccines like bacteria does with antibiotics, which isn't the case. virus don't become resistant to vaccines. vaccines do many things while antibiotics do one thing
what are you basing you're opinion on because it sure as shit ain't reality. it seems more like its based on what you don't know
(Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
"virus don't become resistant to vaccines."
So I shouldn't find any legit research looking into if covid vaccines can affect the virus's evolution in becoming more resistant?
Correct?
(Old Spike)
I'd like to posit, what if it's not an issue of mutation, but an issue of multiplication.
In the case of bacteria. When you take an anti biotic you are basically dropping an indiscriminate bacteria bomb that kills both bad bacteria and good bacteria alike.
If the bomb is insufficient, such as the course is too short for the infection or dose too small. Than much of the bad bacteria can remain and multiply, and since much good bacteria was also killed, which could be helpful in fighting the infection, it may create an better environment for bad bacteria to multiply and overwhelm.