first, they're white. second. one guy has a cross around his neck. three. jesus
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Really? Nothing at all? In Europe our friend would be a bit harder up. There was no brandishing of weapons (unless I missed it on the video) and the argument would be that the escalation to lethal force was unwarranted. At least the little guy realized he's dead so he doesn't end up haunting the place (all for jumping over the counter to grab what.. cigarettes?).
Do we have a news article. Curious if the little guy survived.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
there's a link on the yt page: https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/watch-las-vegas-shop-owner-stabs-would-be-robber-multiple-times/
The stabbee survived.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Ok thanks. I'm pretty sure that's gonna hurt on cold/humid days.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
@ Bobob. The arguement is wrong. Europe is wrong, and Canada is wrong about anything to do with citizens defending themselves. Some of the most important legal reforms needed in those nations. Closing the distance that fast and that close is a threat to your life, and there ain't time to solve puzzles and observe everything like a scientist.
He was bold enough to attempt to rob the store and move on him in broad daylight. Robbery is different than a fistfight and has a whole lot more variables that could be worse for the victimin the cards. He was even warned to leave. He got what he deserved.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
he ran around the corner of the counter to stab him
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Who cares. Defending your property is a human right.
Possessions are more valueable than the life of a thief.
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backdraft (Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Especially cigarettes. How about candy bars?
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Dude (Old Spike)
It is not a human right at all that is why we have police and judges
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I didn't see any police there. A lot of DA's haven't been prosecuting criminals when caught. And who were they going to catch. Two guys in balaclavas is a little vague.
The moral of the story is simple. Don't be a thief. It might get you killed.
The government would kill you on site for robbing them, But that's righteous. But, Citizens killing someone for robbing them is evil right?
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Dude (Old Spike)
nonono i din't say it was evil, just that you will be prosecuted.
True story, i was at a festival in Belgium, a guy comes by and calls me a fag, i say what you want something, he pulls a knife, i take the knife and stab it in the top of his shoulder, i go about my business, 5 minutes later a cop shows up and asks me did you stab someone, i said yes i did, the cop said you just admit to it, i said yes i do, it was his own knife, the cop said ow, you got witnesses i said yeah about 50 20meters back, he went away i have never seen him again, so yeah defence is key.
but in this video, it was not defence
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
He jumped past a barrier meant to seperate customer from the store operator. That is called offense.
He repelled the offender violently. That is called defense.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
I'm going to weigh in here and disagree with TBS in term of semantics. Given the current state of society, what he did should not be considered criminal given his situation and the fact that his right to not only survive but come through the incident without any kind of injury at all is absolute. He's the one being attacked. But what he did was still wrong. There's a difference - I think JP was recently making this point about some subject.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
TBS, it's not quite defense while you're stabbing someone in the back, repeatedly, as they try everything in their power to move away from you. Also, as an American who's been drinking the water in Canada these many years, you would have been exposed to more Canadian and European values (the latter via osmosis). When human life is considered one's greatest possession, it seems to be a bit of an uneven trade.
But where I will concede the argument to you is this. These kids took a very big risk by robbing the store. They forced the owner/clerk into a fight or flight response..and he chose fight. The kids assumed the risk.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
What they did was wicked, they knew it. They were punished.
Thieves are one of the hardest criminals to reform. Typically once a thief always a thief.
This guy may have a chance at reform after what he put himself through. That is likely only possible due to the severe consequences he brought upon himself. All for some tobacco...
The point of no return was when he jumped that counter. Running away didn't matter after that point. He called, he flopped.
I have been exposed to Canadian values. They are inadequet to cover the full spectrum of human rights. This nation has been guilty of a number of rights violations in the last 2 years alone.
Life is not your most precious asset. Freedom is, Second is your health. My mind will never change on that.
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Pdub (Old Spike)
Did one of the robbers call the other one by his name? I thought I heard one say Jacob as the guy was starting to leave.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
I heard 'Bobby' but in the end it is a muddled 'he's stabbing me'.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
This whole thing is weird. kids try to rob a store, are happy with the tip jar, except one who (needs his nicotine fix?) jumps the counter. Let's face it, if I would be the clerk and had access to a weapon I probably would have reacted in the same fashion. Adrenalin is a potent "drug" and inhibits rational thinking. They had all the opportunities to get lost. I don't think the clerk would be prosecuted in a european country if the weapon he used is legal.
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(Old Spike)
He did nothing wrong.
(Long Spike)
first, they're white. second. one guy has a cross around his neck. three. jesus
(Site Administrator)
Really? Nothing at all? In Europe our friend would be a bit harder up. There was no brandishing of weapons (unless I missed it on the video) and the argument would be that the escalation to lethal force was unwarranted. At least the little guy realized he's dead so he doesn't end up haunting the place (all for jumping over the counter to grab what.. cigarettes?).
Do we have a news article. Curious if the little guy survived.
(Old Spike)
there's a link on the yt page:
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/watch-las-vegas-shop-owner-stabs-would-be-robber-multiple-times/
The stabbee survived.
(Site Administrator)
Ok thanks. I'm pretty sure that's gonna hurt on cold/humid days.
(Old Spike)
@ Bobob. The arguement is wrong. Europe is wrong, and Canada is wrong about anything to do with citizens defending themselves. Some of the most important legal reforms needed in those nations. Closing the distance that fast and that close is a threat to your life, and there ain't time to solve puzzles and observe everything like a scientist.
He was bold enough to attempt to rob the store and move on him in broad daylight. Robbery is different than a fistfight and has a whole lot more variables that could be worse for the victimin the cards. He was even warned to leave. He got what he deserved.
(Long Spike)
he ran around the corner of the counter to stab him
(Old Spike)
Who cares. Defending your property is a human right.
Possessions are more valueable than the life of a thief.
(Dixie Normous: Image specialist)
Especially cigarettes. How about candy bars?
(Old Spike)
It is not a human right at all that is why we have police and judges
(Old Spike)
I didn't see any police there. A lot of DA's haven't been prosecuting criminals when caught. And who were they going to catch. Two guys in balaclavas is a little vague.
The moral of the story is simple. Don't be a thief. It might get you killed.
The government would kill you on site for robbing them, But that's righteous. But, Citizens killing someone for robbing them is evil right?
(Old Spike)
nonono i din't say it was evil, just that you will be prosecuted.
True story, i was at a festival in Belgium, a guy comes by and calls me a fag, i say what you want something, he pulls a knife, i take the knife and stab it in the top of his shoulder, i go about my business, 5 minutes later a cop shows up and asks me did you stab someone, i said yes i did, the cop said you just admit to it, i said yes i do, it was his own knife, the cop said ow, you got witnesses i said yeah about 50 20meters back, he went away i have never seen him again, so yeah defence is key.
but in this video, it was not defence
(Old Spike)
He jumped past a barrier meant to seperate customer from the store operator. That is called offense.
He repelled the offender violently. That is called defense.
(Old Spike)
I'm going to weigh in here and disagree with TBS in term of semantics. Given the current state of society, what he did should not be considered criminal given his situation and the fact that his right to not only survive but come through the incident without any kind of injury at all is absolute. He's the one being attacked. But what he did was still wrong. There's a difference - I think JP was recently making this point about some subject.
(Site Administrator)
TBS, it's not quite defense while you're stabbing someone in the back, repeatedly, as they try everything in their power to move away from you. Also, as an American who's been drinking the water in Canada these many years, you would have been exposed to more Canadian and European values (the latter via osmosis). When human life is considered one's greatest possession, it seems to be a bit of an uneven trade.
But where I will concede the argument to you is this. These kids took a very big risk by robbing the store. They forced the owner/clerk into a fight or flight response..and he chose fight. The kids assumed the risk.
(Old Spike)
What they did was wicked, they knew it. They were punished.
Thieves are one of the hardest criminals to reform. Typically once a thief always a thief.
This guy may have a chance at reform after what he put himself through. That is likely only possible due to the severe consequences he brought upon himself. All for some tobacco...
The point of no return was when he jumped that counter. Running away didn't matter after that point. He called, he flopped.
I have been exposed to Canadian values. They are inadequet to cover the full spectrum of human rights. This nation has been guilty of a number of rights violations in the last 2 years alone.
Life is not your most precious asset. Freedom is, Second is your health. My mind will never change on that.
(Old Spike)
Did one of the robbers call the other one by his name? I thought I heard one say Jacob as the guy was starting to leave.
(Site Administrator)
I heard 'Bobby' but in the end it is a muddled 'he's stabbing me'.
(Old Spike)
This whole thing is weird. kids try to rob a store, are happy with the tip jar, except one who (needs his nicotine fix?) jumps the counter. Let's face it, if I would be the clerk and had access to a weapon I probably would have reacted in the same fashion. Adrenalin is a potent "drug" and inhibits rational thinking. They had all the opportunities to get lost. I don't think the clerk would be prosecuted in a european country if the weapon he used is legal.