Does he have any data to backup the quote in the thumbnail or is he just talking out his ass again?
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Of course not. He plays his audience.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Both of you ideologically possessed asshats are the only people here who are paranoid and believe in conspiracy theories. Almost every comment you make about him involves some kind of conspiracy it's hilarious.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
I doubt I EVER mentioned "conspiracy" in relation to the addict.
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You just wrote that he plays his audience as though what he's saying is all part of some elaborate trick to make money. That's conspiracy thinking. You think he's part of some conspiracy involving others like Dr Malone and the other guests on Rogan and the dark horse podcast. They are all conspiring together to fleece a certain segment of the population with messaging that they don't really believe in so that they can make money. That's all paranoid to the max dude. You don't realize that?
Meanwhile, the evidence that the pharmaceutical industry lies, cheats, and puts people at risk to make money goes back decades. Yet you deny the possibility that they have simply continued this well-established behavior with the products they've rolled out in collaboration with governments to "fight the pandemic". You're absurd.
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danman (Site Administrator)
when you resort to such obvious straw man arguments you probably don't have anything worthwhile to say.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Very weak - I can see why you use this site for practice. If the argument is so obviously a strawman, you should be able to easily articulate what you mean precisely and convincingly. But you can't, can you?
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danman (Site Administrator)
"You just wrote that he plays his audience as though what he's saying is all part of some elaborate trick to make money. That's conspiracy thinking. You think he's part of some conspiracy involving..."
The part in bold is what dc said.
You created the conspiracy theory right there about Malone etc (your straw man) & didn't even debunk it, you just accused dc of being "paranoid to the max" as if your opinion of him debunks his argument (which you've just invented). You can't even straw man bro.
You then added your own conspiracy theory by implying pharma+govt are only pretending to "fight the pandemic" (you put it in scare quotes, implying that's not what they're doing) & then another straw man "...you deny the possibility..." with the same style of accusation to pretend you've debunked it "You're absurd."
amazing stuff.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
You've read the same comments I have from DC - you know he constantly claims that all sources of info and opinion that question the "official" pandemic narrative are "grifters" just trying to make a buck. That they don't really believe what they say - they just say it to pander to an audience that brings them revenue. You and DC project the ethical failures and warped moral thinking of yourselves onto those you perceive as opponents to your belief system while simultaneously promoting the information of sources that have a clear and well-established incentive to lie precisely for the purposes of making money from a pandered audience. Nothing you say, no amount of spinning, logical fallacies presented as points, deliberately omitting facts you know will harm your specious argument (such as forgetting that DC makes this claim about every source that questions the narrative), and repeatedly misrepresenting the positions of your opponents, will make you seem less absurd, Danman. I'm trying to help you.
As I've written in response to our resident deviant, no explicit conspiracy is required - only an incentive that is shared across industry and government. That's it, and you know that, and no amount of spin you attempt can change that. Nothing you say here will alter the degree of your absurdity - you know what you should do, right?
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
"That's conspiracy thinking."
Yes, but YOUR conspiracy thinking.
"Meanwhile, the evidence that the pharmaceutical industry lies, cheats, and puts people at risk to make money goes back decades. "
I know, this is nothing new. Extrapolating from this that "they have simply continued this well-established behavior with the products they've rolled out in collaboration with governments to "fight the pandemic"." actually IS absurd. Especially as literally ALL pharma and ALL governments would be involved (except the dumb producers of ivermectin who actually say it shouldn't be used for covid although they make a fortune off of it).
Now what would that be?
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No, that's YOUR conspiracy thinking - they don't sit at a table and go "ha ha ha let's destroy the world" you absurd fool. You think that's how such a thing would have to occur, as do many ignorant fools on the right - it doesn't. You think you are different from the rightwing nutjobs you constantly reference - you are THE SAME. There is an incentive to do it - that's all that's required. They don't need to explicitly communicate with each other that this is their goal - it's how the industry works. The incentive is maximum profit, and we've seen over decades how that incentive results in enormous suffering. As you say, it's nothing new. Why would that incentive suddenly disappear because there's a pandemic presenting the opportunity for unprecedented profits - can you think clearly?
Your argument is that those asking questions and pointing out this obvious fact, which is nothing new, are grifters just trying to make a buck. And you say this with NO EVIDENCE OR HISTORIC TRENDS supporting your claim regarding these information and opinion sources. You have NOTHING. That's what makes you absurd. Do you see it?
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danman (Site Administrator)
"asking questions"
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
And this is where you fall down - you see it. I know you do. I can always tell when you've given up. Find another site for practice.
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danman (Site Administrator)
funny to see how much you panic when that grifting reactionary junky gets caught with his pants down
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Again, nothing here but an unsupported claim, and a specious reference to "data". How absurd do you want to get? I know you're instructed never to allow the person you are communicating with to have the last word. Let's see how far you want to take that, shall we? This is good practice for you.
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danman (Site Administrator)
you know so much
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
"you know so much"
LMAO - I hope you don't have a supervisor evaluating your practice sessions here on Spiked. My God is that ever bad - you'd be better off not responding at all but they won't let you do that, will they?
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
"Your argument is that those asking questions and pointing out this obvious fact, which is nothing new, are grifters just trying to make a buck."
Not at all, if they are asking RELEVANT questions and point out ACTUAL facts. You, otoh, can't even distinguish the relevant from the absurd.
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"Not at all, if they are asking RELEVANT questions and point out ACTUAL facts. You, otoh, can't even distinguish the relevant from the absurd."
But you "know your limits" right? So you don't actually determine for yourself, with your own mind, whether the questions being asked are RELEVANT and pointing out ACTUAL facts. You turn to something you think of as an official source - whatever that is for you - and then parrot whatever they say. And what they ALWAYS say, it seems, is "none of this is relevant and there's nothing to see here - stop asking questions and if you ask any more you must be silenced".
You grew up in Germany - the number of things that contribute to your absurdity is hilarious. In the end, I think we all know that at least half of your absurd behavior is just a sad obsession with me. Stok says you're just trolling and don't really believe any of what you say, but I think that gives you too much credit. I think you are exactly as you appear to be - absurdly dysfunctional to the point of not being able to return to your native country. If you weren't so malicious there would be more sympathy, but as it stands you're just a continuous, standing example of the kind of poor twisted soul that needs to be permanently consigned to the dust bin of history. Forever. Amen.
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danman (Site Administrator)
skeptoid thinks he knows what's up because he can look out his window & see a moose.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
There are no moose in this part of the country. You're trying to shift to lighter fare now - it's a good approach. But still absurd since if you remember my claim is that you're not actually permitted to allow me to have the last word. And you're proving that absurdity exquisitely. Please continue.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
"But you "know your limits" right?"
I believe so, at least I am way more aware of my limits than you are.
"So you don't actually determine for yourself, with your own mind, whether the questions being asked are RELEVANT and pointing out ACTUAL facts."
Of course I do. And -again in contrary to you- I scrutinise the sources for credibility. You, otoh, turn to some source that confirms your bias - whatever that is for you - and then parrot whatever they say.
Now again you are obsessed with where I grew up, why is that? There are plenty of people that have similar opinions on similar subjects all over the world.
What actually IS hillarious is your obsession with you thinking I am not being able to return there, completely unfounded, and ridiculous (as is the character you try to portray here in general). You realise I live within the EU, run a successful legal business and am fairly well known around here, if any kind of authority enemy were after me I would be very easy to find.
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"Of course I do. And -again in contrary to you- I scrutinise the sources for credibility. You, otoh, turn to some source that confirms your bias - whatever that is for you - and then parrot whatever they say."
Incorrect - you scrutinize the source for ideological purity, and then parrot the information if it meets the beliefs you have around your absolutist state religion. I've asked you many times what my bias is, and you can never provide an answer. You won't here either, because you know that my only focus is on determining what's actually going on while your efforts are devoted to obscuring what's going on - informed mostly by your inability to process information yourself. Your bias is obvious to everyone, including your own allies. You are absurd.
When folks here point out - and Sato is particularly good at this - your inability to process information objectively and intelligently scrutinize your "sources" for validity you post a silly GIF and dance sideways off stage, giggling like a little girl. Let's see you hilariously try to deny that now.
"Now again you are obsessed with where I grew up, why is that? There are plenty of people that have similar opinions on similar subjects all over the world."
If obssessed means finding my interactions with a former, likely East, German who grew up in the wake of the Hegelian Nazi atrocities seemingly (but probably not) oblivious to the same process unfolding on a global scale to be absurdly hilarious, I guess you're right. The only real question is how stupid vs. evil you actually are - I think you're pretty heavy into both categories, to be honest.
"What actually IS hillarious is your obsession with you thinking I am not being able to return there, completely unfounded, and ridiculous (as is the character you try to portray here in general)."
Let's just keep to information that's only been provided on this site, to make it a challenge. If you telling me that you haven't been back to Germany for decades and have no plans on returning is an obsession, sure I suppose you're right then (doing my best to accomodate your absurdity here). Look at how you try to defend your image - you state your job, state the continental gov under which you live, and say "people 'round here like me." Dude, you just shouldn't address the topic at all - you make it worse. When you've tried to attack my image in the past, you've been obsessed with the fact that I provide consulting services - hilariously bizarre. Your mind is fascinatingly twisted.
"... if any kind of authority enemy were after me I would be very easy to find."
Incredibly telling final phrase - man I wish there were still more people here. I'd love to hear the take of classic Spiked Nationals on the meaning, both intended and unintended, of this phrase. You think I'm implying you're wanted for some kind of crimes by an authority. You are perfectly absurdly oblivious. Keep going - what else can you contribute?
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danman (Site Administrator)
"I scrutinise the sources for credibility"
these are your last 3 posts, it's typical of the stuff u upload here:
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
WOW, karenoid. You don't even get the coarse facts right about me. You just like me to be a stereotype you can hate on, prbably because I hit too many sore points with (that means was correct about) you. Pretty similar to your general take on reality: "Don't like it so I look for prophets that confirm my bias."
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danman (Site Administrator)
you give him too much credit for coming up with his own opinions
he's more of a wind-up toy swimming in the YouTube Influencer Ocean
you're right that he only hears what he wants to hear
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
The prpblem with the tardtoid is that he really thinks he has a grasp of the stuff he is talking about and simply cannot believe that he is completely incompetent on it.
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danman (Site Administrator)
It reminds me of my experience arguing with Hindu nationalists tbh. Emotionally charged even when discussing basic facts of a dry topic, shifting gears from fact-based discussion into ideology/mythological/psychological mumbo jumbo to avoid being cornered, having no real grasp on the basic facts of p much anything they're talking about but desparately wanting to try & score points in an imaginary propaganda war. Common strategy of these types tends towards trying to demoralize their perceived ideological enemy in any way they can. In a nutshell it's crude disingenuos zealotry.
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(Site Administrator)
Does he have any data to backup the quote in the thumbnail or is he just talking out his ass again?
(Old Spike)
Of course not. He plays his audience.
(Old Spike)
Both of you ideologically possessed asshats are the only people here who are paranoid and believe in conspiracy theories. Almost every comment you make about him involves some kind of conspiracy it's hilarious.
(Old Spike)
I doubt I EVER mentioned "conspiracy" in relation to the addict.
(Old Spike)
You just wrote that he plays his audience as though what he's saying is all part of some elaborate trick to make money. That's conspiracy thinking. You think he's part of some conspiracy involving others like Dr Malone and the other guests on Rogan and the dark horse podcast. They are all conspiring together to fleece a certain segment of the population with messaging that they don't really believe in so that they can make money. That's all paranoid to the max dude. You don't realize that?
Meanwhile, the evidence that the pharmaceutical industry lies, cheats, and puts people at risk to make money goes back decades. Yet you deny the possibility that they have simply continued this well-established behavior with the products they've rolled out in collaboration with governments to "fight the pandemic". You're absurd.
(Site Administrator)
when you resort to such obvious straw man arguments you probably don't have anything worthwhile to say.
(Old Spike)
Very weak - I can see why you use this site for practice. If the argument is so obviously a strawman, you should be able to easily articulate what you mean precisely and convincingly. But you can't, can you?
(Site Administrator)
"You just wrote that he plays his audience as though what he's saying is all part of some elaborate trick to make money. That's conspiracy thinking. You think he's part of some conspiracy involving..."
The part in bold is what dc said.
You created the conspiracy theory right there about Malone etc (your straw man) & didn't even debunk it, you just accused dc of being "paranoid to the max" as if your opinion of him debunks his argument (which you've just invented). You can't even straw man bro.
You then added your own conspiracy theory by implying pharma+govt are only pretending to "fight the pandemic" (you put it in scare quotes, implying that's not what they're doing) & then another straw man "...you deny the possibility..." with the same style of accusation to pretend you've debunked it "You're absurd."
amazing stuff.
(Old Spike)
You've read the same comments I have from DC - you know he constantly claims that all sources of info and opinion that question the "official" pandemic narrative are "grifters" just trying to make a buck. That they don't really believe what they say - they just say it to pander to an audience that brings them revenue. You and DC project the ethical failures and warped moral thinking of yourselves onto those you perceive as opponents to your belief system while simultaneously promoting the information of sources that have a clear and well-established incentive to lie precisely for the purposes of making money from a pandered audience. Nothing you say, no amount of spinning, logical fallacies presented as points, deliberately omitting facts you know will harm your specious argument (such as forgetting that DC makes this claim about every source that questions the narrative), and repeatedly misrepresenting the positions of your opponents, will make you seem less absurd, Danman. I'm trying to help you.
As I've written in response to our resident deviant, no explicit conspiracy is required - only an incentive that is shared across industry and government. That's it, and you know that, and no amount of spin you attempt can change that. Nothing you say here will alter the degree of your absurdity - you know what you should do, right?
(Old Spike)
"That's conspiracy thinking."
Yes, but YOUR conspiracy thinking.
"Meanwhile, the evidence that the pharmaceutical industry lies, cheats, and puts people at risk to make money goes back decades. "
I know, this is nothing new. Extrapolating from this that "they have simply continued this well-established behavior with the products they've rolled out in collaboration with governments to "fight the pandemic"." actually IS absurd. Especially as literally ALL pharma and ALL governments would be involved (except the dumb producers of ivermectin who actually say it shouldn't be used for covid although they make a fortune off of it).
Now what would that be?
(Old Spike)
No, that's YOUR conspiracy thinking - they don't sit at a table and go "ha ha ha let's destroy the world" you absurd fool. You think that's how such a thing would have to occur, as do many ignorant fools on the right - it doesn't. You think you are different from the rightwing nutjobs you constantly reference - you are THE SAME. There is an incentive to do it - that's all that's required. They don't need to explicitly communicate with each other that this is their goal - it's how the industry works. The incentive is maximum profit, and we've seen over decades how that incentive results in enormous suffering. As you say, it's nothing new. Why would that incentive suddenly disappear because there's a pandemic presenting the opportunity for unprecedented profits - can you think clearly?
Your argument is that those asking questions and pointing out this obvious fact, which is nothing new, are grifters just trying to make a buck. And you say this with NO EVIDENCE OR HISTORIC TRENDS supporting your claim regarding these information and opinion sources. You have NOTHING. That's what makes you absurd. Do you see it?
(Site Administrator)
"asking questions"
kek
(Old Spike)
And this is where you fall down - you see it. I know you do. I can always tell when you've given up. Find another site for practice.
(Site Administrator)
funny to see how much you panic when that grifting reactionary junky gets caught with his pants down
(Old Spike)
Again, nothing here but an unsupported claim, and a specious reference to "data". How absurd do you want to get? I know you're instructed never to allow the person you are communicating with to have the last word. Let's see how far you want to take that, shall we? This is good practice for you.
(Site Administrator)
you know so much
(Old Spike)
"you know so much"
LMAO - I hope you don't have a supervisor evaluating your practice sessions here on Spiked. My God is that ever bad - you'd be better off not responding at all but they won't let you do that, will they?
(Old Spike)
"Your argument is that those asking questions and pointing out this obvious fact, which is nothing new, are grifters just trying to make a buck."
Not at all, if they are asking RELEVANT questions and point out ACTUAL facts. You, otoh, can't even distinguish the relevant from the absurd.
(Old Spike)
"Not at all, if they are asking RELEVANT questions and point out ACTUAL facts. You, otoh, can't even distinguish the relevant from the absurd."
But you "know your limits" right? So you don't actually determine for yourself, with your own mind, whether the questions being asked are RELEVANT and pointing out ACTUAL facts. You turn to something you think of as an official source - whatever that is for you - and then parrot whatever they say. And what they ALWAYS say, it seems, is "none of this is relevant and there's nothing to see here - stop asking questions and if you ask any more you must be silenced".
You grew up in Germany - the number of things that contribute to your absurdity is hilarious. In the end, I think we all know that at least half of your absurd behavior is just a sad obsession with me. Stok says you're just trolling and don't really believe any of what you say, but I think that gives you too much credit. I think you are exactly as you appear to be - absurdly dysfunctional to the point of not being able to return to your native country. If you weren't so malicious there would be more sympathy, but as it stands you're just a continuous, standing example of the kind of poor twisted soul that needs to be permanently consigned to the dust bin of history. Forever. Amen.
(Site Administrator)
skeptoid thinks he knows what's up because he can look out his window & see a moose.
(Old Spike)
There are no moose in this part of the country. You're trying to shift to lighter fare now - it's a good approach. But still absurd since if you remember my claim is that you're not actually permitted to allow me to have the last word. And you're proving that absurdity exquisitely. Please continue.
(Old Spike)
"But you "know your limits" right?"
I believe so, at least I am way more aware of my limits than you are.
"So you don't actually determine for yourself, with your own mind, whether the questions being asked are RELEVANT and pointing out ACTUAL facts."
Of course I do. And -again in contrary to you- I scrutinise the sources for credibility. You, otoh, turn to some source that confirms your bias - whatever that is for you - and then parrot whatever they say.
Now again you are obsessed with where I grew up, why is that? There are plenty of people that have similar opinions on similar subjects all over the world.
What actually IS hillarious is your obsession with you thinking I am not being able to return there, completely unfounded, and ridiculous (as is the character you try to portray here in general). You realise I live within the EU, run a successful legal business and am fairly well known around here, if any kind of authority enemy were after me I would be very easy to find.
(Old Spike)
"Of course I do. And -again in contrary to you- I scrutinise the sources for credibility. You, otoh, turn to some source that confirms your bias - whatever that is for you - and then parrot whatever they say."
Incorrect - you scrutinize the source for ideological purity, and then parrot the information if it meets the beliefs you have around your absolutist state religion. I've asked you many times what my bias is, and you can never provide an answer. You won't here either, because you know that my only focus is on determining what's actually going on while your efforts are devoted to obscuring what's going on - informed mostly by your inability to process information yourself. Your bias is obvious to everyone, including your own allies. You are absurd.
When folks here point out - and Sato is particularly good at this - your inability to process information objectively and intelligently scrutinize your "sources" for validity you post a silly GIF and dance sideways off stage, giggling like a little girl. Let's see you hilariously try to deny that now.
"Now again you are obsessed with where I grew up, why is that? There are plenty of people that have similar opinions on similar subjects all over the world."
If obssessed means finding my interactions with a former, likely East, German who grew up in the wake of the Hegelian Nazi atrocities seemingly (but probably not) oblivious to the same process unfolding on a global scale to be absurdly hilarious, I guess you're right. The only real question is how stupid vs. evil you actually are - I think you're pretty heavy into both categories, to be honest.
"What actually IS hillarious is your obsession with you thinking I am not being able to return there, completely unfounded, and ridiculous (as is the character you try to portray here in general)."
Let's just keep to information that's only been provided on this site, to make it a challenge. If you telling me that you haven't been back to Germany for decades and have no plans on returning is an obsession, sure I suppose you're right then (doing my best to accomodate your absurdity here). Look at how you try to defend your image - you state your job, state the continental gov under which you live, and say "people 'round here like me." Dude, you just shouldn't address the topic at all - you make it worse. When you've tried to attack my image in the past, you've been obsessed with the fact that I provide consulting services - hilariously bizarre. Your mind is fascinatingly twisted.
"... if any kind of authority enemy were after me I would be very easy to find."
Incredibly telling final phrase - man I wish there were still more people here. I'd love to hear the take of classic Spiked Nationals on the meaning, both intended and unintended, of this phrase. You think I'm implying you're wanted for some kind of crimes by an authority. You are perfectly absurdly oblivious. Keep going - what else can you contribute?
(Site Administrator)
"I scrutinise the sources for credibility"
these are your last 3 posts, it's typical of the stuff u upload here:
(Old Spike)
WOW, karenoid. You don't even get the coarse facts right about me. You just like me to be a stereotype you can hate on, prbably because I hit too many sore points with (that means was correct about) you. Pretty similar to your general take on reality: "Don't like it so I look for prophets that confirm my bias."
(Site Administrator)
you give him too much credit for coming up with his own opinions
he's more of a wind-up toy swimming in the YouTube Influencer Ocean
you're right that he only hears what he wants to hear
(Old Spike)
The prpblem with the tardtoid is that he really thinks he has a grasp of the stuff he is talking about and simply cannot believe that he is completely incompetent on it.
(Site Administrator)
It reminds me of my experience arguing with Hindu nationalists tbh. Emotionally charged even when discussing basic facts of a dry topic, shifting gears from fact-based discussion into ideology/mythological/psychological mumbo jumbo to avoid being cornered, having no real grasp on the basic facts of p much anything they're talking about but desparately wanting to try & score points in an imaginary propaganda war. Common strategy of these types tends towards trying to demoralize their perceived ideological enemy in any way they can. In a nutshell it's crude disingenuos zealotry.