Jimmy Dore Reaches his Final Form

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Wasnt the gay frogs thing proven true though? Im pretty sure it was. 

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nope. just like about everything else you thought. you thought wrong. if you somehow managed to get a frog to drink from a juicebox that you've laced with a specific chemical. you'll castrate them. they wont produce sperm. thats not turning them gay

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Hmmm, picked the first google result that confirmed your bias I see. How about actually reading the study. 

This person did a pretty good job of researching it:

https://niche-canada.org/2020/06/09/chemical-castration-white-genocide-and-male-extinction-in-rhetoric-of-endocrine-disruption/#Notes

In 2002, biologist Dr. Tyrone Hayes conducted a series of experiments that revealed that the most common herbicide, Atrazine, “feminized” male frogs at concentrations below that allowed in drinking water in the United States.[1] He hypothesized that Atrazine works as an endocrine-disrupting chemical (EDC), converting testosterone to estrogen in frogs. Hayes’s research ignited an ongoing political controversy over whether Atrazine causes “gender abnormalities”—such as hermaphroditism—in amphibians, humans, and other species. Although the manufacturer of Atrazine, Syngenta, argues that the pesticide is safe, Hayes and other scientists have increasingly demonstrated a link between Atrazine and threats to public health and the environment.

In this essay, I examine the role of gendered rhetoric in scientific and popular representations of this controversy. Through analyzing depictions of Hayes’s frogs in scientific research and the media, I find that Atrazine discourse is imbued with cultural anxieties about the extinction of normative masculinity in an increasingly toxic world. This essay contributes a surprising account of how this rhetoric travels into far-right media commentary about “male decline” and “white genocide.”


“Atrazine discourse is imbued with cultural anxieties about the extinction of normative masculinity in an increasingly toxic world.”


Hayes et al.’s (2010) highly cited scientific paper found that “Atrazine-exposed males” were “chemically castrated,” meaning that they could not reproduce as biological males or had such other “gender abnormalities” as decreased testosterone levels, reduced sperm production, or suppressed mating behaviors.[2] Ten percent of the population became “atrazine-induced females” that were “completely feminized” as adults: they reproduced as biological females, “mated with control males, and produced viable eggs.”[3]

A photograph in the 2010 article shows two frogs in amplexus—the mating position of frogs, where one frog clasps the lower back of another (fig. 1). As the article explains, the photograph depicts one of the “sex reversed genetic males” who become “reproductively functional females.”[4] Hayes et al. (2010) references a study of endocrine disruptors on human cell lines by Sanderson et al. (2000)[5] to conclude that Atrazine likely also caused, in the words of the referenced study, “inappropriate sexual differentiation” in other wildlife and humans.[6]

Fig. 1: Photo from Hayes et al. 2010

At a research conference, Hayes remarked that he chose the term “chemical castration” specifically because it angered Syngenta representatives.[7] His word choices, indeed, made attention-grabbing headlines. A National Geographic article opens with the Hayes et al. (2010) photo, captioned: “The so-called pregnant man has company: One of the most common weed-killers in the United States can transform male frogs into fully functional females, a new study says.”[8]

Science article includes the same photo, stating, “[S]ome chemically castrated guys develop into egg-laying gals” in which they exhibit “girly behavior.”[9] The article continues that Hayes’s male frogs “not only became submissive, like females, but also apparently send out come-hither signals to the bro’s in their tank.”[10] These “transgender animals” became “male mothers” who allowed males to fertilize their eggs, which grew into offspring.[11] Popular-science coverage of Hayes et al. (2010) appeals to cultural disgust for male bodies that transgress gender norms and to cultural anxieties about transgender people “passing” as cisgender. These representations perpetuate transmisogyny, a term from feminist theory that describes discrimination against trans women, who are impacted by both transphobia and misogyny.[12]

Scholars in queer ecologies, a subfield that explores the intersection of queer theory and environmental studies, have probed how representations of endocrine disruption in popular culture are imbued with normative judgments about the desirability of human sexual variability. Noël Sturgeon argues that popular-science depictions of wildlife often propagate heteronormative ideals of the reproductive nuclear family in the context of the changing global environment.[13] Giovanna Di Chiro uses the term “eco-normativity” to describe how environmental politics draw on people’s fears that exposure to endocrine disruptors destabilizes the “normalness” and “naturalness” of masculinity, femininity, and heterosexuality.[14] Malin AhKing and Eva Hayward likewise demonstrate that the discussion surrounding endocrine disruptors portrays “human sex, particularly male sex, as under siege, endangered, and threatened.”[15]

Analyses involving endocrine disruption often rely on heterosexist conceptions of women, people with disabilities, queer people, and others with non-normative embodiment as “deviant, impure, or contaminated.”[16] Like previous researchers in queer ecologies, I find that representations of Hayes’s frogs—and the futures they imply for humans—encode cultural anxieties about the queering of normative schemas of gender, sex, and sexuality. This essay contributes novel analysis of how the gendered rhetoric of EDCs translates in the discourses of the contemporary alt right.


“I find that representations of Hayes’s frogs—and the futures they imply for humans—encode cultural anxieties about the queering of normative schemas of gender, sex, and sexuality.”


Far-right rhetoric in the United States has also featured Hayes et al.’s 2010 findings. American conservative radio-show host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones released a series of videos on Atrazine’s feminizing effects. In Alex Jones Comes out of the Closet as a Gay Frog (2015), he wore a full-body frog suit, green face paint, and pink tutu.[17] In the video, he drinks from a bottle labeled “Atrazine” and pronounces, “Thanks to Atrazine there will be no more frogs but we are gay so that’s cool,” and “I’ll never have children and I’m sterilized, but the media says I’m totally cool. I’m a gay frog!”[18]

Jones rants that the government developed a “gay bomb” to control the population through rampant homosexuality—a statement circulated on the internet as the “gay frogs conspiracy” or the “gay bomb rant.”[19] A video excerpt where Jones yells that water is poisoned with chemicals that are “making the friggin’ frogs gay” went viral, with 592,000 views and 1,200 comments on Twitter within six months.[20] The hashtag #gayfrogs circulated among far-right followers on 4chan and reddit, sometimes illustrated with Pepe the Frog meme—a meme coopted by the alt-right movement and officially recognized as a hate symbol associated with Nazism and white supremacy.[21]

In 2020, Alex Jones stated on his TV show that Atrazine will “shrink your son’s genitals.”[22] In an uncharacteristically sober manner, he elaborates: “Soon males will have genitals the size of a female’s clitoris in about two generations with current Atrazine levels. If you like your son not having a cock, then you’re going to love Atrazine.”[23] Jones cites a Berkeley News article[24] on Hayes and colleagues’ 2010 research, and states that males exposed to Atrazine “won’t be able to have sex since they don’t have a penis” and “will die.”[25] He alleges the possibility of human extinction due to increasing homosexuality from a government “chemical warfare operation” involving adding chemicals to tap water to reduce the number of children.[26] Atrazine, he says, is a “chemical weapon” used by “globalists” who are “hitting us chemically to attack and take out our species.”[27]

Besides their rampant transmisogyny, far-right depictions of environmental issues are coded with concerns over perceived decline of white male social dominance. Scholars in masculinity studies have argued that a narrative of white male decline emerged in the US in the 1960s and 1970s with the rise of identity-based social movements, including the civil rights movement and women’s liberation.[28] In popular discourse, as feminist literary scholar Sally Robinson describes, the “white male victim” emerged as the “emblem” of the crisis in white masculinity.[29] White masculinity became culturally constructed as “victimized,” “traumatized,” and “wounded.”[30] Jones portrays male decline in terms of the feminization of male genitalia, which he equates with the death of men and, ultimately, of our species. Feminist science studies scholars view this as an example of the broader phenomenon of casting white male decline in biological terms.[31]


“Far-right depictions of environmental issues are coded with concerns over perceived decline of white male social dominance.”


Like many on the far right, Alex Jones subscribes to the white-genocide conspiracy theory—a white supremacist belief that immigration, low fertility rates, abortion, and miscegenation are causing the decline or even “extinction” of white people. Jones’s online news organization, InfoWars, is instrumental in spreading racialized fears of white decline—fears rooted in nineteenth-century eugenics[32] and whose latest articulation is described as “white extinction anxiety.”[33] Critical theorists of today’s far-right movement in the US argue that whites associated with the far right often respond to the country’s changing racial landscape by embracing the “white male victim” ideology in which whites face racial discrimination, denial of cultural rights, and stigmatization for racial pride, all of which threaten the continued existence of the white race.[34]

As feminist political theorist Betsy Hartmann writes, ecofascism—the dangerous intersection between environmentalism and white supremacy—is a “greening of hate” in which concern for the environment is co-opted as a ruse for increased control over women’s reproductive capacities, surveillance of racial minorities, and securing the borders against immigration.[35] Although Hayes would likely be uncomfortable with marshalling environmental pollution as evidence of white male decline, Jones’s (2020) claim that Atrazine will “shrink your son’s genitals” shares rhetorical similarities with Hayes et al.’s (2010) rhetoric of “chemical castration.” Both Jones and Hayes emphasize the feminization of male bodies and the inability of those affected to reproduce as biological males as undermining the future of the species amidst environmental toxicity. In the context of the rhetoric of male decline, white heterosexual masculinity becomes an endangered species.

  1. Hayes, Tyrone B., Atif Collins, Melissa Lee, Magdelena Mendoza, Nigel Noriega, A. Ali Stuart, and Aaron Vonk. 2002. “Hermaphroditic, Demasculinized Frogs after Exposure to the Herbicide Atrazine at Low Ecologically Relevant Doses.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 99 (8): 5476–80.
  2. Hayes, Tyrone B., Vicky Khoury, Anne Narayan, Mariam Nazir, Andrew Park, Travis Brown, Lillian Adame, et al. 2010. “Atrazine Induces Complete Feminization and Chemical Castration in Male African Clawed Frogs (Xenopus Laevis).” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 107 (10): 4612.
  3. Ibid. 4612.
  4. Ibid. 4612.
  5. Sanderson, J. T., W. Seinen, J. P. Giesy, and M. van den Berg. 2000. “2-Chloro-S-Triazine Herbicides Induce Aromatase (CYP19) Activity in H295R Human Adrenocortical Carcinoma Cells: A Novel Mechanism for Estrogenicity?” Toxicological Sciences: An Official Journal of the Society of Toxicology 54 (1): 121–27.
  6. Ibid.
  7. Hayes, Tyrone. 2014. Tyrone Hayes vs. Syngenta’s Atrazine. YouTube. Presentation at University of Hawaii. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC4v6nj3Elo.
  8. Kaufman, Rachel. 2010. “Common Weed Killer Makes Male Frogs Lay Eggs.” National Geographic, March 2. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/100301-Atrazine-frogs-female-chemical/; This comparison between “transgender frogs” and the “pregnant man” refers to a legal case sensationalized in the media about a transgender human male who gave birth to three children through artificial insemination in the early 2000s.
  9. Raloff, Janet. 2010. “Frogs: Weed Killer Creates Real Mr. Moms.” Science News. https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/frogs-weed-killer-creates-real-mr-moms.
  10. Ibid.
  11. Ibid.
  12. Serano, Julia. 2016. Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity. 2nd edition. Berkeley, Boston, New York: Seal Press.
  13. Sturgeon, Noël. Environmentalism in Popular Culture : Gender, Race, Sexuality, and the Politics of the Natural. Xiv, 224 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. Tucson: University of Arizona Press, 2009.
  14. Di Chiro, Giovanna. 2010. “Polluted Politics? Confronting Toxic Discourse, Sex Panic, and Eco-Normativity.” In Queer Ecologies: Sex, Nature, Politics, Desire, edited by Catriona Mortimer-Sandilands and Bruce Erickson. Kindle. Bloomington: Indiana University Press.
  15. Ah-King, Malin, and Eva Hayward. 2014. “Perverting Pollution and Queering Hormone Disruption.” O-Zone: A Journal of Object-Oriented Studies 1. http://www.academia.edu/download/33186544/01_Toxic_Sexes_FINAL.pdf, pg. 5.
  16. Cielemęcka, Olga, and Cecilia Åsberg. 2019. “Introduction: Toxic Embodiment and Feminist Environmental Humanities.” Environmental Humanities 11 (1): 101–7.
  17. Science Enthusiast. 2018. “Alex Jones ‘Comes out’ as a Gay Frog.” YouTube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQ9lbL0VZc.
  18. Ibid.
  19. Ibid.
  20. Know Your Meme. 2018. “Alex Jones’ Gay Frogs Conspiracy.” KnowYourMeme.com. April 16. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/alex-jones-gay-frogs-conspiracy.
  21. Nuzzi, Olivia. 2016. “How Pepe the Frog Became a Nazi Trump Supporter and Alt-Right Symbol.” The Daily Beast, May 26. https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/how-pepe-the-frog-became-a-nazi-trump-supporter-and-alt-right-symbol; Mele, Christopher. 2016. “Pepe the Frog Meme Listed as a Hate Symbol.” New York Times, September 28. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/pepe-the-frog-is-listed-as-a-hate-symbol-by-the-anti-defamation-league.html
  22. Jones, Alex. 2020. “Report Gay Frog Chemical Atrazine Will Shrink Your Sons Genitals.” Alex Jones Show. January 22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTD-UExtIs.
  23. Ibid.
  24. Sanders, Robert. 2010. “Pesticide Atrazine Can Turn Male Frogs into Females.” Berkeley News, March 1. https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/.
  25. Jones, Alex. 2020. “Report Gay Frog Chemical Atrazine Will Shrink Your Sons Genitals.” Alex Jones Show. January 22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTD-UExtIs.
  26. Ibid.
  27. Ibid.
  28. Gardiner, Judith Kegan. 2002. Masculinity Studies and Feminist Theory. New York: Columbia University Press.
  29. Robinson, Sally. 2000. Marked Men: White Masculinity in Crisis. New York: Columbia University Press.
  30. Ibid. 5.
  31. Daniels, Cynthia R. Exposing Men: The Science and Politics of Male Reproduction. 1 edition. Oxford University Press, 2006; Jordan-Young, Rebecca M., and Katrina Karkazis. Testosterone: An Unauthorized Biography. Harvard University Press, 2019; Richardson, Sarah S. Sex Itself: The Search for Male and Female in the Human Genome. University of Chicago Press, 2013.
  32. Duster, Troy. 2003. Backdoor to Eugenics. 2nd edition. New York: Routledge.
  33. Blow, Charles M. 2018. “Opinion: White Extinction Anxiety.” New York Times, June 24. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/opinion/america-white-extinction.html.
  34. Boehme, Hunter M., and Deena A. Isom Scott. 2020. “Alt-White? A Gendered Look at ‘Victim’ Ideology and the Alt-Right.” Victims & Offenders 15 (2): 174–96; Ferber, Abby L.1999. White Man Falling: Race, Gender, and White Supremacy. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield; Kelly, Annie. 2017. “The Alt-Right: Reactionary Rehabilitation for White Masculinity.” Soundings 66 (66): 68–78.
  35. Hartmann, Betsy. 2016. Reproductive Rights and Wrongs: The Global Politics of Population Control. 3rd edition. Chicago: Haymarket Books.
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stokkebye's picture

Now lets see what you found?

From Forbes:

9. The government is using chemicals to turn people and frogs gay.

What do frogs and people have in common besides occasionally wearing top hats? As Jones has claimed, both are supposedly the victims of so-called "estrogen mimickers" being placed in juice boxes, water bottles, and tap water to "feminize" people. Writing for Salon, Alex Seitz-Wald quoted Jones as saying, "The reason there are so many gay people now is because it's a chemical warfare operation. I have the government documents where they said they're going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so people don't have children." Jones has described tap water as a "gay bomb" and has said "I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water that TURN THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! Do you understand that? I'm sick of being social engineered, it's not funny!"

Why this claim is ridiculous: Indeed, socially engineering Jones would not be funny and probably would not be the best use of limited government resources. I don't know what government documents Jones is referring to, but drinking lots of tap or bottled water may make you pee but it will not "turn you gay." Not that there is anything wrong with that.

And why exactly did Jones mention "gay frogs"? Perhaps Jones was referring to a study from the University of California, Berkeley, which suggested that exposure to atrazine, a widely used pesticide, may cause gender-switching among frogs. But then he would be misinterpreting the results of that study. Gender switching is not the same as sexual preference. Exposing frogs to atrazine is not the same as giving them drinking water. And frogs usually don't drink juice boxes.

Oh, and by the way, Jones' Infowars site is selling water filtration devices.

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notice how neither of those say they're making frogs gay? if i could get you to drink something that turned you into a biological female to the point where you can produce viable ovaries and your interested in fucking dudes. you're not gay. your a female

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"Dr. Tyrone Hayes conducted a series of experiments that revealed that the most common herbicide, Atrazine, “feminized” male frogs at concentrations below that allowed in drinking water in the United States."

the word "gay" wasn't used specifically, but that doesn't make it untrue it's just semantics. jones was clearly using the word "gay" to mean "less masculine".

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i'm going by what they said. i could be going by what everybody else says and that tyrone hayes is lying. none of what he mentioned was able to be replicated and the tests they did do found it not to do what he said it does. so using the word "gay" probably couldn't be any further from the truth

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You engage in the behavior of being deliberately obtuse to force points that you aren't making lol. Jimmy has come a long way since 2016 - it put dye into the petri dish and revealed so much truth, including people's true selves. COVID has done the same: You discovered that you're a fascist (perhaps you already knew) - we've all learned something about ourselves.

 

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LMAO - now that's how you draw someone in and then wipe the floor with them. Look at him still trying to go they don't know when to quit do they? I think Jimmy Dore really hurt this guy's feelings when he finally came out against wokeism.

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My favorite quote is "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him  drink" | Toluna

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jdt73's picture

anyone telling the truth is a target for these shit libs

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"turn the frickin frogs gay" is more PC than "turn the frickin frogs into celibate trannies"

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine#Amphibians

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Pdub's picture

That's a horrible face swap.  Can't even tell.

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The final form is funny..... can't things just be funny anymore?! Reminds me of the zelots of the left aka. people who never known a laugh THE actuall woke.

 

Everyone here are funny, can't we just be funny?! The posters .... have a great sense of humor, but it's burried politics! 

 

 

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jdt73's picture

your right.

It was funny, because it is so obviously fallacious.

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