Whatever Antifa does they will deserve threefold to them.
I would advise them to tread lightly.
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InsertCoin (Short Spike)
Damn... not even twofold but threefold. We got ourselves a fella who's not takin any prisoners, I like it. None of this pussy "eye for an eye" bullshit!
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
The escalation should remain in Antifa's court. They argue. We argue. They fist fight, we fight. They bring weapons. we bring weapons. they fire a gun, we unleash hell.
How bad this gets is on them. and I would advise all factions that rise to face them to hold to these tenets.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
who does your side encompass?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
The response.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
well, your sides is already carrying guns, traveling to democratic cities for the purpose of clashing with antifa. antifa doesn't do that kind of shit. so, i would say antifa is the response and you're the action. i'm not antifa. but if i was. i would recommend that antifa respond in a manner that befits 2020, while your side is millwrighting guns, they're 3d printing them, while your sides threating violence on social media, they'll be doxxing and threatning family members. if covid doesn't get you to wear masks. grandma getting death threats will
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
"well, your sides is already carrying guns, traveling to democratic cities for the purpose of clashing with antifa. "
I'm glad to see they are prepared.
"while your side is millwrighting guns, they're 3d printing them, "
We'll have more reliable hardware, while they have faulty gear that might hurt them more than others.
"while your sides threating violence on social media, they'll be doxxing and threatning family members."
Some are prepared for that eventuality. Some arn't.
"if covid doesn't get you to wear masks. grandma getting death threats will"
Do as we say or else? Who's fighting fascism?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
by how your side is acting and how fascism is defined. i don't think your side knows what the word means
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
How dare I infringe on the right to be governed by an angry mob.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
look how far you've come from " The escalation should remain in Antifa's court. They argue. We argue. They fist fight, we fight. They bring weapons. we bring weapons. they fire a gun, we unleash hell." in just 3 comments. antifa doesn't have any governing powers, they can't pass legislation. you talk defending yourself but you travel to do it.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
The reality is, they exist. They are a viable faction. They are anarchists, extremists, and dangerous. No better than the KKK (And I don't mean the guys that wear sheets and have bbq's while making racial jokes.) I mean the scum of the Earth activist violent ones.
They are here to stay. They are looting, pillaging, isolating and attacking whoever they judge fit.. They are terrorists.
State authorities are too afraid to use force to put a stop to their bullshit.
Citizens forming counter factions is the natural progression.
This is a failure of municiple and state government to maintain law and order.
If they won't get this violent rabble out of our streets, then I fully support other factions doing it.
I fully support armed peaceful protests. It's constitutionally legal, and everyone armed makes for polite society.
Antifa however only likes protests when they have numbers and weapons while their opponents don't. They are cowards.
So if The PB's And Oathkeeprs wanna show up armed with infinite ammo. That's fine and reccomended. Bearing a weapon is not the same as using it.
Antifa won't challenge that unless they have firepower. Once they fire the first shot. It's Gangs of New York as far as I'm concerned until the matter is resolved.
Especially if the cops arn't helping.
If I was Mayor of Minniapolis, I would have crushed that shit with less than lethal firestorms after the first fire.
Just like Trump did. He established order in Washington immediately.
Then I would fix everything federal and public that was damaged, and leave the rest of it for the citizens.
You riot? You live in what you make.
You protest peacefully and responsibly, you have my undivided attention.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
"The escalation should remain in Antifa's court. They argue. We argue. They fist fight, we fight. They bring weapons. we bring weapons. they fire a gun, we unleash hell."
you had no chance at defeating me.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Defeat is not the word. I have annihilated you.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
your just annihilating yourself. i'm getting maximum output for minimum input. i think its pretty obviouse of the difference between how your side talks'n acts and you don't disagree.
for real real. if antifa acted the same way your side is, you'd get wiped out. antifa's got a bigger pool to draw from. just about every states largest populated cities are democratic. you got more people in nyc than you got in a handful of states. you're the minority. seriously. if the left decided to do a million biden march in a red state. thats an issue cause it could be somewhere from more than the states population to a 1/8 of it showing up to protest in a city of a few houndred thousand.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
"your just annihilating yourself. i'm getting maximum output for minimum input."
Oh, you're there are you?
Antifa has nothing to do with the left. They just associate themselves to their label like parasites.
"if antifa acted the same way your side is" And what way is that. Of which actions do you speak?
There are many ways to fight a war.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
yea i'm there
antifa is on the left. just like the proud boys are on the right.
what actions? well, like i mentioned, antifa starts doing armed protests in republican cities, thousand decending upon small towns because republicans don't have large cities.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
They'll be able to feed and keep a million disease free?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
you mean when they round you up and put you in camps?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Well if we are going to talk about a realistic plausible scenario we need to stop and consider all of the challenges of mobilizing, equipping, and of course maintaining a million man army.
Quite the logistical feat.
Despite it's valiant efforts the chaz harvest just isn't going to cut it.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
i wasn't sure what you meant. so the nice thing is that they did this, even the newest one they set up, the next day they were laying down soil. but they also get donation from business where if you were to look at the Occupation of the Malheur refuge. they were getting dildos for donations
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
We'll also have to think about how long this army plans on campaigning in the field. The United States is a big place.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
you're thinking the wrong kind of war. you can drive across america in 2 days. you got cali on the west, ny on the east, anywhere is reachable by one of these within 24 hrs. antifa can get a list of peoples names and social security numbers from parler. start pecking off members. weekend trips. knock off 20 guys doing a loop outside the city. catch them all at home.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
That will stir up the citizenry driving up recruitment for us and create more enemy factions to combat.
Toxic for their cause.
The same methods will also be applied in return.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
like i said, antifa's got a bigger pool to draw from
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
And their support will dwindle the more cowardly they act.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
depends how its done. muggings go bad all the time, people fall down stairs... all you'll notice is people going inactive on parler.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
So who's fighting fascism?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
the anti-fascists
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I thought so, because for a second I thought you might be implying that Antifa is fighting fascism.
But clearly that's not true.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
brings me back to my second comment. antifas not walking around in republican cities carrying guns. antifas not asking for elections laws to be overturned. you guys are the action, they are the response
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Lol, nice try but no. Antifa started hurting citizen's, their opposition rose up to help stop them. That dynamic is very plain and simple.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
post the earliest example of this and i'll see if i can find one from your side that predates it
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Angry mobs predate recorded history.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
so does oppression. which one came first?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
What's the difference between real oppression and the perception of oppression?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
well, currently an administration is asking for black peoples votes not to be counted. the other is white people marching while chanting "you/jews will not replace us"
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
So you don't know the difference between real oppression and perceived oppression. I didn't think so.
Holds up just as well as your glorious million man march that fell apart before it started.
"currently an administration is asking for black peoples votes not to be counted."
If you believe that you'll believe anything.
"white people marching while chanting "you/jews will not replace us"
Some people do all kinds of silly things. So how are they associated to my side? What stops them from being a third side entirely?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
i asked who encompassed your side, you said the response
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Goddamn you're right!
I have never been so goddamn wrong in my entire life!
I will have to correct myself.
My side is but a small part of the response.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
i've seen 3 different statements. "the response" , "My side is a part of the response" and now its "My side is but a small part of the response.". give me enought time and the paintbrush, i'll paint you into the corner.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I'm flattered that you would like to make this personal.
But I expected a more ambitious goal from you.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
this isn't personal at all. unless you consider walking back on what you say as personal
i have been thinking about what would be the easiest way to get your side into a concentration camp for the past few weeks.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
By my side, what do you mean?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
your side, the response, part of the response or a small part of the response. however you want to say it. put you in camps. what would be the best way of going about it? starting from construction to incarceration.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
My part of the response you wouldn't want to see put in camps. We don't associate ourselves with some other groups fighting over the same thing.
Even that aside. I would even go so far as to say, most people wouldn't even want these camps built.
Funny enough, I took my political compass today. The results surprised even me.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
why wouldnt i want to see you guys in camps? are you guys quadriplegics? the camp will be handicap accessible. the way i look at it is if one side is a pile of shit. doesn't matter how small of piece you break off, its still shit
i think it would be easier to trick your side into helping build the camp. tell them its to hold antifa and they'll donate supplies and their time to build it. when the walls are built and some of the inside structures are up, throw a party and lock them in.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Let me get this straight.
You think it would be easy to get a bunch of quadrapelgics to build an antifascist concentration camp?
This is what you are telling me?
I'll let you off the hook there, since clearly you are from an oppressed people.
Do you know what fascism is exactly?
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
i don't think it would be difficult, republicans are sending out flyers in georgia saying if you don't vote republican on jan 5th, democrates are coming to take hamburgers away... i don't think anyone on your side is putting rockets into space. but remember, this is for everyone on your side, even the loaf you got pinched off from.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
What do their fascist ideologies have in common?
There is a very specific component that makes it fascism.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
well, for those 2, the persecution of jews, a fanatical fan base and extreme patriotism/nationalism
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Anti individualism is the CORE foundation of Fascism.
Without that. It's not fascism.
Also. Giovanni Gentile is the most important one in that list to study.
Fascism stretches from coast to fucking coast on the spectrum.
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
facscism is a far right thing. its counter part on the far left is called communism. both are against individualism
gentile and musso are in the same boat. its italy,
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
No... It's far more flexible than that. It can take policies from both sides. Far right ones are easier to trigger crises. Left Policies are used for stealth.
It's needs collectivism though. Once the government starts removing liberties. Covid lockdowns, mask mandates, 2nd amendment infringement. ALL FASCIST!
Fascism always asks for your rights. And always for "good" reasons. Children, elders, safety.
Bush and Obama were fascist too.
Trump is a real anti fascist.
More freedom to the people. More guns, no lock downs, take care of yourselves. Let the states decide on crises.
The draft was Fascist. Mandatory service is Fascist. You could stretch and say that Forced grade 1 -10 is fascist.
Trudeau. FUCKING FASCIST! "Canada's Strength is that it has no identity."
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sal9000 (Long Spike)
you think i could trick this guy into a camp?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I hope you can guide him somewhere other than where he's going.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
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Dude (Old Spike)
You guy's are ruining christmas with your fighting :)
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The Belgians
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Antifa is a group of terrorists pretending to be anti terrorists. Ironic
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(Old Spike)
Whatever Antifa does they will deserve threefold to them.
I would advise them to tread lightly.
(Short Spike)
Damn... not even twofold but threefold. We got ourselves a fella who's not takin any prisoners, I like it. None of this pussy "eye for an eye" bullshit!
(Old Spike)
The escalation should remain in Antifa's court. They argue. We argue. They fist fight, we fight. They bring weapons. we bring weapons. they fire a gun, we unleash hell.
How bad this gets is on them. and I would advise all factions that rise to face them to hold to these tenets.
(Long Spike)
who does your side encompass?
(Old Spike)
The response.
(Long Spike)
well, your sides is already carrying guns, traveling to democratic cities for the purpose of clashing with antifa. antifa doesn't do that kind of shit. so, i would say antifa is the response and you're the action. i'm not antifa. but if i was. i would recommend that antifa respond in a manner that befits 2020, while your side is millwrighting guns, they're 3d printing them, while your sides threating violence on social media, they'll be doxxing and threatning family members. if covid doesn't get you to wear masks. grandma getting death threats will
(Old Spike)
"well, your sides is already carrying guns, traveling to democratic cities for the purpose of clashing with antifa. "
I'm glad to see they are prepared.
"while your side is millwrighting guns, they're 3d printing them, "
We'll have more reliable hardware, while they have faulty gear that might hurt them more than others.
"while your sides threating violence on social media, they'll be doxxing and threatning family members."
Some are prepared for that eventuality. Some arn't.
"if covid doesn't get you to wear masks. grandma getting death threats will"
Do as we say or else? Who's fighting fascism?
(Long Spike)
by how your side is acting and how fascism is defined. i don't think your side knows what the word means
(Old Spike)
How dare I infringe on the right to be governed by an angry mob.
(Long Spike)
look how far you've come from " The escalation should remain in Antifa's court. They argue. We argue. They fist fight, we fight. They bring weapons. we bring weapons. they fire a gun, we unleash hell." in just 3 comments. antifa doesn't have any governing powers, they can't pass legislation. you talk defending yourself but you travel to do it.
(Old Spike)
The reality is, they exist. They are a viable faction. They are anarchists, extremists, and dangerous. No better than the KKK (And I don't mean the guys that wear sheets and have bbq's while making racial jokes.) I mean the scum of the Earth activist violent ones.
They are here to stay. They are looting, pillaging, isolating and attacking whoever they judge fit.. They are terrorists.
State authorities are too afraid to use force to put a stop to their bullshit.
Citizens forming counter factions is the natural progression.
This is a failure of municiple and state government to maintain law and order.
If they won't get this violent rabble out of our streets, then I fully support other factions doing it.
I fully support armed peaceful protests. It's constitutionally legal, and everyone armed makes for polite society.
Antifa however only likes protests when they have numbers and weapons while their opponents don't. They are cowards.
So if The PB's And Oathkeeprs wanna show up armed with infinite ammo. That's fine and reccomended. Bearing a weapon is not the same as using it.
Antifa won't challenge that unless they have firepower. Once they fire the first shot. It's Gangs of New York as far as I'm concerned until the matter is resolved.
Especially if the cops arn't helping.
If I was Mayor of Minniapolis, I would have crushed that shit with less than lethal firestorms after the first fire.
Just like Trump did. He established order in Washington immediately.
Then I would fix everything federal and public that was damaged, and leave the rest of it for the citizens.
You riot? You live in what you make.
You protest peacefully and responsibly, you have my undivided attention.
(Long Spike)
"The escalation should remain in Antifa's court. They argue. We argue. They fist fight, we fight. They bring weapons. we bring weapons. they fire a gun, we unleash hell."
you had no chance at defeating me.
(Old Spike)
Defeat is not the word. I have annihilated you.
(Long Spike)
your just annihilating yourself. i'm getting maximum output for minimum input. i think its pretty obviouse of the difference between how your side talks'n acts and you don't disagree.
for real real. if antifa acted the same way your side is, you'd get wiped out. antifa's got a bigger pool to draw from. just about every states largest populated cities are democratic. you got more people in nyc than you got in a handful of states. you're the minority. seriously. if the left decided to do a million biden march in a red state. thats an issue cause it could be somewhere from more than the states population to a 1/8 of it showing up to protest in a city of a few houndred thousand.
(Old Spike)
"your just annihilating yourself. i'm getting maximum output for minimum input."
Oh, you're there are you?
Antifa has nothing to do with the left. They just associate themselves to their label like parasites.
"if antifa acted the same way your side is" And what way is that. Of which actions do you speak?
There are many ways to fight a war.
(Long Spike)
yea i'm there
antifa is on the left. just like the proud boys are on the right.
what actions? well, like i mentioned, antifa starts doing armed protests in republican cities, thousand decending upon small towns because republicans don't have large cities.
(Old Spike)
They'll be able to feed and keep a million disease free?
(Long Spike)
you mean when they round you up and put you in camps?
(Old Spike)
Well if we are going to talk about a realistic plausible scenario we need to stop and consider all of the challenges of mobilizing, equipping, and of course maintaining a million man army.
Quite the logistical feat.
Despite it's valiant efforts the chaz harvest just isn't going to cut it.
(Long Spike)
i wasn't sure what you meant. so the nice thing is that they did this, even the newest one they set up, the next day they were laying down soil. but they also get donation from business where if you were to look at the Occupation of the Malheur refuge. they were getting dildos for donations
(Old Spike)
We'll also have to think about how long this army plans on campaigning in the field. The United States is a big place.
(Long Spike)
you're thinking the wrong kind of war. you can drive across america in 2 days. you got cali on the west, ny on the east, anywhere is reachable by one of these within 24 hrs. antifa can get a list of peoples names and social security numbers from parler. start pecking off members. weekend trips. knock off 20 guys doing a loop outside the city. catch them all at home.
(Old Spike)
That will stir up the citizenry driving up recruitment for us and create more enemy factions to combat.
Toxic for their cause.
The same methods will also be applied in return.
(Long Spike)
like i said, antifa's got a bigger pool to draw from
(Old Spike)
And their support will dwindle the more cowardly they act.
(Long Spike)
depends how its done. muggings go bad all the time, people fall down stairs... all you'll notice is people going inactive on parler.
(Old Spike)
So who's fighting fascism?
(Long Spike)
the anti-fascists
(Old Spike)
I thought so, because for a second I thought you might be implying that Antifa is fighting fascism.
But clearly that's not true.
(Long Spike)
brings me back to my second comment. antifas not walking around in republican cities carrying guns. antifas not asking for elections laws to be overturned. you guys are the action, they are the response
(Old Spike)
Lol, nice try but no. Antifa started hurting citizen's, their opposition rose up to help stop them. That dynamic is very plain and simple.
(Long Spike)
post the earliest example of this and i'll see if i can find one from your side that predates it
(Old Spike)
Angry mobs predate recorded history.
(Long Spike)
so does oppression. which one came first?
(Old Spike)
What's the difference between real oppression and the perception of oppression?
(Long Spike)
well, currently an administration is asking for black peoples votes not to be counted. the other is white people marching while chanting "you/jews will not replace us"
(Old Spike)
So you don't know the difference between real oppression and perceived oppression. I didn't think so.
Holds up just as well as your glorious million man march that fell apart before it started.
"currently an administration is asking for black peoples votes not to be counted."
If you believe that you'll believe anything.
"white people marching while chanting "you/jews will not replace us"
Some people do all kinds of silly things. So how are they associated to my side? What stops them from being a third side entirely?
(Long Spike)
i asked who encompassed your side, you said the response
(Old Spike)
Goddamn you're right!
I have never been so goddamn wrong in my entire life!
I will have to correct myself.
My side is but a small part of the response.
(Long Spike)
i've seen 3 different statements. "the response" , "My side is a part of the response" and now its "My side is but a small part of the response.". give me enought time and the paintbrush, i'll paint you into the corner.
(Old Spike)
I'm flattered that you would like to make this personal.
But I expected a more ambitious goal from you.
(Long Spike)
this isn't personal at all. unless you consider walking back on what you say as personal
i have been thinking about what would be the easiest way to get your side into a concentration camp for the past few weeks.
(Old Spike)
By my side, what do you mean?
(Long Spike)
your side, the response, part of the response or a small part of the response. however you want to say it. put you in camps. what would be the best way of going about it? starting from construction to incarceration.
(Old Spike)
My part of the response you wouldn't want to see put in camps. We don't associate ourselves with some other groups fighting over the same thing.
Even that aside. I would even go so far as to say, most people wouldn't even want these camps built.
Funny enough, I took my political compass today. The results surprised even me.
(Long Spike)
why wouldnt i want to see you guys in camps? are you guys quadriplegics? the camp will be handicap accessible. the way i look at it is if one side is a pile of shit. doesn't matter how small of piece you break off, its still shit
i think it would be easier to trick your side into helping build the camp. tell them its to hold antifa and they'll donate supplies and their time to build it. when the walls are built and some of the inside structures are up, throw a party and lock them in.
(Old Spike)
Let me get this straight.
You think it would be easy to get a bunch of quadrapelgics to build an antifascist concentration camp?
This is what you are telling me?
I'll let you off the hook there, since clearly you are from an oppressed people.
Do you know what fascism is exactly?
(Long Spike)
i don't think it would be difficult, republicans are sending out flyers in georgia saying if you don't vote republican on jan 5th, democrates are coming to take hamburgers away... i don't think anyone on your side is putting rockets into space. but remember, this is for everyone on your side, even the loaf you got pinched off from.
(Old Spike)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
What do their fascist ideologies have in common?
There is a very specific component that makes it fascism.
(Long Spike)
well, for those 2, the persecution of jews, a fanatical fan base and extreme patriotism/nationalism
(Old Spike)
Anti individualism is the CORE foundation of Fascism.
Without that. It's not fascism.
Also. Giovanni Gentile is the most important one in that list to study.
Fascism stretches from coast to fucking coast on the spectrum.
(Long Spike)
facscism is a far right thing. its counter part on the far left is called communism. both are against individualism
gentile and musso are in the same boat. its italy,
(Old Spike)
No... It's far more flexible than that. It can take policies from both sides. Far right ones are easier to trigger crises. Left Policies are used for stealth.
It's needs collectivism though. Once the government starts removing liberties. Covid lockdowns, mask mandates, 2nd amendment infringement. ALL FASCIST!
Fascism always asks for your rights. And always for "good" reasons. Children, elders, safety.
Bush and Obama were fascist too.
Trump is a real anti fascist.
More freedom to the people. More guns, no lock downs, take care of yourselves. Let the states decide on crises.
The draft was Fascist. Mandatory service is Fascist. You could stretch and say that Forced grade 1 -10 is fascist.
Trudeau. FUCKING FASCIST! "Canada's Strength is that it has no identity."
(Long Spike)
you think i could trick this guy into a camp?
(Old Spike)
I hope you can guide him somewhere other than where he's going.
(sounds retarded)
(Old Spike)
You guy's are ruining christmas with your fighting :)
(Old Spike)
(Old Spike)
The Belgians
(Member)
Antifa is a group of terrorists pretending to be anti terrorists. Ironic