The essense of Stan Myer's tech is legit. I've seen a commercially available unit installed on a car to mix hydrogen into the fuel - it makes the car way more economical. It's not compatible with all cars though because fuel injectors are different these days.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
No, it is not.
He claimed that he invented electrolysis that needs less energy to produce hydrogen then it will later emit in a combustion engine.
The process was
put water and little energy in
make hydrogen
put water and a lot of energy out
Sorry, no can do.
Theoretically any internal combustion engine could run on hydrogen though.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
What you say seems to make sense. I don't know enough about chemistry to comment. I'll try & get more details from the mechanic who installed the unit next time I see him. It was years ago but he claimed it boosted fuel efficiency by about 50%.
It seems that if there was such tech we'd run power stations on it & our energy problems would be solved so there must be a catch somewhere.
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Nakey (Site Administrator)
there's 1 minor problem and that is in order for it to enhance fuel efficency by any amount using the vehicles alternator as a power sorce would break the laws of thermal dynamics. if anything you're operating at a loss. while i'm not going to do the math (i have better shit to do) i can break it down like this:
internal combustion is around 30% efficient and an alternator when cold is at about 85% but that falls as low as 60% when she heats up, losses in the belt drive blah blah blah. the process of electrolisis doesn't just produce hydrogen and oxygen, there are further losses in heat, the corrosion of the electrodes produces other compounds and mabye some other shit i can't remember atm.
essentially your engine has to work that little bit harder to take the load of your alternator driving that process unless that hydrogen and oxygen you're putting back makes over 100% of the energy you use in its generation you'll save on fuel by not installing this system.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Mixing hydrogen into the fuel/air mix does not change the fuel efficiency at all.
Hydrogen has an energy density of 33,33kWh/kg, petrol has about 12kWh/kg.
The energy required for a certain trip is constant, adding hydrogen will only reduce the amount of petrol consumed, NOT the overall amount of energy. Nice little red herring that is.
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Trevicahn (Short Spike)
The Starlite one is the most legit. Go read up on that one. Interesting stuff.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Some links would have been nice. Superficial search only came back with what was said in the video and of course some conspiracy shit.
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(Old Spike)
LOL, engineering homeopathy.
Please tell the president about the space guns!
(Old Spike)
The chronovision one is the most far-fetched.
The essense of Stan Myer's tech is legit. I've seen a commercially available unit installed on a car to mix hydrogen into the fuel - it makes the car way more economical. It's not compatible with all cars though because fuel injectors are different these days.
(Old Spike)
No, it is not.
He claimed that he invented electrolysis that needs less energy to produce hydrogen then it will later emit in a combustion engine.
The process was
Sorry, no can do.
Theoretically any internal combustion engine could run on hydrogen though.
(Old Spike)
What you say seems to make sense. I don't know enough about chemistry to comment. I'll try & get more details from the mechanic who installed the unit next time I see him. It was years ago but he claimed it boosted fuel efficiency by about 50%.
It seems that if there was such tech we'd run power stations on it & our energy problems would be solved so there must be a catch somewhere.
(Site Administrator)
there's 1 minor problem and that is in order for it to enhance fuel efficency by any amount using the vehicles alternator as a power sorce would break the laws of thermal dynamics. if anything you're operating at a loss. while i'm not going to do the math (i have better shit to do) i can break it down like this:
internal combustion is around 30% efficient and an alternator when cold is at about 85% but that falls as low as 60% when she heats up, losses in the belt drive blah blah blah. the process of electrolisis doesn't just produce hydrogen and oxygen, there are further losses in heat, the corrosion of the electrodes produces other compounds and mabye some other shit i can't remember atm.
essentially your engine has to work that little bit harder to take the load of your alternator driving that process unless that hydrogen and oxygen you're putting back makes over 100% of the energy you use in its generation you'll save on fuel by not installing this system.
(Old Spike)
Mixing hydrogen into the fuel/air mix does not change the fuel efficiency at all.
Hydrogen has an energy density of 33,33kWh/kg, petrol has about 12kWh/kg.
The energy required for a certain trip is constant, adding hydrogen will only reduce the amount of petrol consumed, NOT the overall amount of energy. Nice little red herring that is.
(Short Spike)
The Starlite one is the most legit. Go read up on that one. Interesting stuff.
(Old Spike)
Some links would have been nice. Superficial search only came back with what was said in the video and of course some conspiracy shit.