Makes sense. A separate event can help to prime/start a movement but over time it does need to be incorporated into the education/culture.
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ubershin (Old Spike)
i dont believe a public education system can ever be the best system. honestly kids dont learn shit in school and they learn things they want after they get interested in said subjects years after regular school. this system is bound to fail and bloating it further just makes it more annoying and incentivizes for kids to leave school or drop out sooner imo. make puiblic school like china if anything but you still need azn parents for that to work obv
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sato (Old Spike)
depends on how you work it. if it's well funded and the educators are in charge then it goes well, but if it's not well funded and bureaucrats (who almost always don't even have any teaching experience let alone are current teachers) are in charge, then it goes badly.
private schools have different challenges, mostly to do with sales and what parents and students think is good versus what is actually good. parents tend to base their opinions almost always on how they learned, coloured a little by the industry they're in. actual teachers talk with university professors and leaders from many different industries on a regular basis, yet parents will often disagree and if a teacher corrects them the parents tend to view the school less favorably. students also tend to go for enjoyable or interesting lesson content over lessons that raise their skills for better future success, so private schools have that additional problem where they are pushed toward form at the cost of substance. you mentioned it a little bit in your comment, about interest. just because something is interesting doesn't mean it will further your future prospects. just look at how many people get a useless college degree they chose freely because it was something they were interested in.
public schools, good ones i mean, don't have that i can conduct themselves towards what works for students whether they agree or not.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
That's a big part of it. Another problem is format. Education is based less on reasoning and more on obedience.
We don't raise children to be innovators anymore. We raise them to be drones. Useless fluff education is an important part of subversion of society.
In my view that stuff as part of university should be illegal. University should only have classes that will get you into a field of work.
Fluff stuff should be kept to seperate courses and seminars outside the school system entirely. Not endorsed or supported by the school system at all.
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you have a point on the fact that school should teach or expose new ideas to students even if there is no interest initially. however, i still think public schools have no way of firing those tenured teachers and therefore have 0 incentive to innovate and try harder. private schools at least know u can stop paying them and this is an incentive to keep you enrolled somehow. public is prob going to get worse as the bloat keeps going up with bereucrats in power who care little a bout the kids and more about themselves to look "good" or do the liberal teachings with critical race theory etc
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i might need to learn about the chinese system but i hate how they dont incorporate individualism to their curriculum. they basically make very smart drones which is what i would also like to remedy somehow with their system imo that would be best of both worlds cuz they get the math down right obv
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(Old Spike)
Makes sense. A separate event can help to prime/start a movement but over time it does need to be incorporated into the education/culture.
(Old Spike)
i dont believe a public education system can ever be the best system. honestly kids dont learn shit in school and they learn things they want after they get interested in said subjects years after regular school. this system is bound to fail and bloating it further just makes it more annoying and incentivizes for kids to leave school or drop out sooner imo. make puiblic school like china if anything but you still need azn parents for that to work obv
(Old Spike)
depends on how you work it. if it's well funded and the educators are in charge then it goes well, but if it's not well funded and bureaucrats (who almost always don't even have any teaching experience let alone are current teachers) are in charge, then it goes badly.
private schools have different challenges, mostly to do with sales and what parents and students think is good versus what is actually good. parents tend to base their opinions almost always on how they learned, coloured a little by the industry they're in. actual teachers talk with university professors and leaders from many different industries on a regular basis, yet parents will often disagree and if a teacher corrects them the parents tend to view the school less favorably. students also tend to go for enjoyable or interesting lesson content over lessons that raise their skills for better future success, so private schools have that additional problem where they are pushed toward form at the cost of substance. you mentioned it a little bit in your comment, about interest. just because something is interesting doesn't mean it will further your future prospects. just look at how many people get a useless college degree they chose freely because it was something they were interested in.
public schools, good ones i mean, don't have that i can conduct themselves towards what works for students whether they agree or not.
(Old Spike)
That's a big part of it. Another problem is format. Education is based less on reasoning and more on obedience.
We don't raise children to be innovators anymore. We raise them to be drones. Useless fluff education is an important part of subversion of society.
In my view that stuff as part of university should be illegal. University should only have classes that will get you into a field of work.
Fluff stuff should be kept to seperate courses and seminars outside the school system entirely. Not endorsed or supported by the school system at all.
(Old Spike)
you have a point on the fact that school should teach or expose new ideas to students even if there is no interest initially. however, i still think public schools have no way of firing those tenured teachers and therefore have 0 incentive to innovate and try harder. private schools at least know u can stop paying them and this is an incentive to keep you enrolled somehow. public is prob going to get worse as the bloat keeps going up with bereucrats in power who care little a bout the kids and more about themselves to look "good" or do the liberal teachings with critical race theory etc
(Old Spike)
i might need to learn about the chinese system but i hate how they dont incorporate individualism to their curriculum. they basically make very smart drones which is what i would also like to remedy somehow with their system imo that would be best of both worlds cuz they get the math down right obv