How many of you understand the rules of war?
Once you militarize a building - have any troops, weapons or ammo in it - it's a legitemate target under international law. Eg. if one person is shooting at soldiers from a building theoretically it's open season on that building.
This is the facts whether we like it or not.
Placing your military & assets next to residential buildings also puts civilians & civie infrastructure in harms' way.
What the rules of war boil down to is actually a lot looser than people understand it - if you intend to hit a military target then you're in the clear.
Unless you can show that Russia's deliberately targeting civilians (they are not) then they're not committing war crimes.
To date I've seen no evidence of Russia intentionally targeting civilians.
This on the other hand doesn't look good AT ALL for Ukraine Armed Forces:
There's mountains of evidence of this occurring in Ukraine, both documented & from witness testimonies. In Mariupol it's particularly egregious with the Nazis literally taking positions & shooting from behind civilians as the DPR/Chechen/Russian forces enter each section of the city.
There's also a huge shitfight around the humanitarian corridors & the complicated & fucked way Kyiv regime's been dealing with them - they don't really have full control of their military, especially not the special units like 'territorial defense' and factions within the national guard. They want the civilians to stay because it gives them some protection & if they lose it still looks bad on Russia due to the overwhelming media bias.
I couldn't care in the slightest who here believes me. I've witnessed this shit myself & am easily confident enough to publish it here. So has WaPo now so that should tell you something, Fuck all of this kind of footage comes through on Youtube but Youtube isn't where it matters.
I do take issue with a little bit of bias in the above video since he mentions precision strike weapons but not unguided ones like grad rockets, which have also been used quite a bit unfortunately. It's not against the rules of war, so long as the intended target is military, but it isn't exactly clean.
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(sounds retarded)
Dude, stop arguing with yourself. You are getting really desperate to justify your position and its getting embarrassing.
All these guidelines and Geneva convention shit is for traditional governments, like Russia, the USA, NATO, China, etc... all that goes out the window when you are a smaller country being invaded by a superpower. All is fare in love and war. You really think there is a command structure left in Ukraine? Someone to prosecute? You really think Zelenskyy is giving orders and commands to troops? LOL. This is guerilla warfare with pockets of Ukrainian forces holding on and going into hiding. All those rules of warfare you talk about goes out the window when you have small groups of soldiers cut off from command and they are holding on by themselves. The media would have you think otherwise, it gives hope and it gives them the ability to put everything in a nice little box to be consumed by the masses but that is not reality. What the fuck you expect them to do? Call a timeout and bring out the rules and have a ref give color cards for violations? This is not a game, this is warfare, life or death. Russia will be held to a higher standard because they are the larger force and have the command structure to still give orders.
(Site Administrator)
"This is not a game, this is warfare, life or death"
this is not a legal argument. This post is about law, hence the word "crime"
it starts with "How many of you understand the rules of war?"
you could have just admitted that you don't & saved yourself some time.
"All these guidelines and Geneva convention shit is for traditional governments"
Ukraine is a signatory on the GC. [src]
if you wanna claim that US+NATO are backing illegal forces/terrorists in Ukraine, be my guest
(sounds retarded)
You are not very good a deflecting, Ukraine has very little to no command structure, pockets of soldiers left to fend for themselves cannot be held to the standard you describe. Are you supposed to stop the fighting, call a time out, wave a red card and tell them they fouled and now must stay out in the open field to be gunned down? If you take what you say to its logic conclusion, it is absurd to suggest it. After the smoke clear who would be left to prosecute? The dead soldier?
Dont get me wrong here, I know why you are making this argument, I'm just telling you it aint gonna work and it only goes one way, Russia needs to abide by the rules set forth as they are the superior force and the aggressors.
(Site Administrator)
Rules of war apply to both sides. If you can't agree on this there's nothing to discuss.
(sounds retarded)
Who the fuck do you think is going to enforce these rules when there is no command structure? You think a commander is telling these soilders where to shoot from and where to "place their assets" as you would say? You're a funny guy.
(Site Administrator)
you're really just arguing that Ukraine is a failed state at this point.
what you're saying as no resemblance to what's happening either. There still is a command structure in UAF. Forces being cutoff doesn't absolve them from their obligations either.
If anyone takes off their uniform & becomes some kind of irregular combatant then the rules change but that's another argument.
(sounds retarded)
When you are facing danger, like your life is being threatened, its either you kill or be killed, you stop caring about rules of engagement pretty fast. And yeah, the Ukrainian govt does not have much control anymore over its remaining forces. I dont think they even have any, do they? That's the problem with invading a country like this, the enemy are not going to line up in battle formation and fire their fucking muskets and surrender en-masse, have the generals meet and sign surrender declarations, this is new age street guerilla fighting where they can just melt back into society and pop back up later at a different location. This could go on for years like this. This is new age modern warfare.
(Old Spike)
when Putin asked me what i thought about them taking back Ukraine
''i said i did not care'',
he asked what do you mean you don't care?
i said ''i don't know the situation in Ukraine why would you invade it'',
he said ''it used to belong to Russia''
i said ''well then i guess it is justified''
Stupid as i was i did not know it became or was part of Europe, never been there...
0 for geography i thought Ukraine lay at the East coast of Russia, otherwise i would have advised against it, this is hurting everyone, i hope it is over soon, one way or another, i had good relations with Putin, i kind of chose him into office, can't say a bad word about him, more trustable then any of the other ppl i worked with, if all is well i straighten things out, but i doubt i will get the chance, not working right now, still dealing with the consequences of an internal war in THE ORGANIZATION for about 10 or more years now, - us VS the power hungry - It is all about power in a way but 2 sides those who only care about power for themselves and those who want to do things the right way, pull society up