Tribalists outraged by rejected tribalism

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danmanjones's picture

Had to look this up so here's what I found....

The original interview [link]

A follow up interview: [link]

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daftcunt's picture

"Thoughtcrime" does not fucking count. No need to talk about it.
Hypocrites on the left want to condemn him for his honesty, hypocrites on the right feel supported in hating on their favourite stereotype.

 

What gets lost in translation is the story of a person deeply affected by what happened to their girlfriend and fortunatley he had enough time to process so nothing happened. Kudos to him for admitting to it.

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sato's picture

right, and even more than that, just going out walking around angrily doesn't mean he would've gone through with it if he'd found what he was looking for. there are many times more suicidal thoughts than actual suicide attempts. it's a very human thing to have angry thoughts but it's also very human to not go through with them. this is why shit like malcolm's mom lois going apeshit and ramming someone else's car in the parking lot is so funny, because real people don't actually go through with it.

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skeptoid's picture

I've never been in a state of mind like Liam - looking to inflict tribe-based intrumental violence. But, there was a time a couple of years ago when I was very fatalistic as a result of going years with chronic pain under a misdiagnosis and not being able to resolve it through the health care system. That combined with some pretty malevolent shit from some ideologically-possessed morons at my previous job brought me to a point where I was not suicidal (that's really not possible for me due to my constitution) but I was very angry and looking for an opportunity to justifiably let Tulkas off the chain. It happened - there was this young lad in his early twenties that moved into the building behind mine in Waterloo and started having loud, obnoxious criminal types over to this place and they'd stand outside in the parking lot cursing and being loud and smashing beer bottles. They were doing this in the parking lot my balcony overlooked. Now I liked to go out on that balcony with Ziggy and just sit there and browse the net on my laptop, post to Spiked, listen to music, have a few beers. Just chill. 

 

Well this young lad and his older crims didn't like that I would sit there on my balcony and continue to go about my business as always despite their presence at 1 am in the morning. I was back then a very serious insomniac (now that the largest component of my chronic illnes has been diagnosed and treated I sleep pretty good most nights). So anyway I'm getting the stink eye from these guys as I sit up on the balcony and just ignoring them, going about my business. But honestly - I'm fucking really pissed and feeling like I wonder if I walked over there and told them to shut the fuck up and stop glancing up my way if even one of them would have the balls to take it to the next place. Remember I'm looking to practice some Wing Chun here - give me a reason. Not the same as Liam but a similar mind space. I'm tired of those actively contributing to the process that brings about a worse hell for us all and here's some folks right in front of me doing it and, yeah, would feel good you know?

 

Anyway the next morning I'm out back in that same parking lot letting Ziggy go for a pee and here comes this young lad with long hair (not like mine - LOL styled and permed lol with a cap on and tatoos on the arms I don't what the fuck kids are doing these days) out of the building and he's walking across the parking lot and I'm just standing there and he walks into my field of view and so I look at him. He's eating a pastry of some kind, and as he sees me looking at him standing there with my dog on a leash he turns with the insecure/false bravado of your typical 21-year-old and says "What the fuck are you lookin' at, faggot!??" and some of the pastry come flying out of his mouth. And Ziggy lets out a low growl. And I smile a big fucking smile and make a beeline straight for him as he's moving away still looking back at me and I say with great enthusiasm "Why I am looking at you right now kid. Do you not know that you are visible to others??!" and I'm closing the distance and continuing while he turns away and begins to fast-walk like those fucking Olympic "fast-walkers" in this hilarious attempt to keep distance without running away like a coward. But I'm really enjoying this now, and I'm right behind him, "You just moved into the building behind me and I can see you and your loser friends every weekend stinking up the neighborhood acting like fucktards - I look at that too. And I look at your fucked up pants halfway down your ass right now and I bet If I broke into a run you couldn't get away from me right now," and here he starts light jog-stepping away and I can see he's really scared now and now I start to feel bad, and now Manwe yanks the chain on Tulkas and says "What are you doing, Tom?" and I see Yeshua shaking his head and I look at my dog and I shake my head. And I go home and continue with my day, and think about what I was doing there and what if he had rounded on me - what about Ziggy? If I go to jail who's going to take care of him. 

 

Yeah we've all been in those places in some way. That kid crossed the street everytime I was coming the other way while walking Ziggy until I moved back to Ottawa. Every time I felt bad about it, but not THAT bad about it. I think I handled Tulkas well, considering my state of mind at the time.

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daftcunt's picture

 

Way more detailed than kdog's....

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skeptoid's picture

Tends to happen when I've had a few.

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daftcunt's picture

good excuse for such brainfarts.

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skeptoid's picture

You mean you didn't enjoy the story? You can see it's a long story before you even start reading it, yet you spent all that time boring yourself, deliberately, reading the story? LOL that doesn't really make sense - do you know that? How insecure are you? Or perhaps how obsessed with me are you, that you would consume my content knowing it's going to bore you? That's fucking weird man.

 

There's a certain deep sadness about you friend. Like your first comment above - everything you say is exactly on point, except this - "No need to talk about it." That's you in a nutshell, isn't it? It's ALWAYS good to talk about such things. You're not above it. Tell me your story DaftCunt - about that time you looked inward and realized you were acting like a fucking idiot because of some perceived injustice or gripe you had. Any recent examples?

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daftcunt's picture

Oh, I read it hence the kdog reference.

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skeptoid's picture

Yes, and you enjoyed it, didn't you? Which was the point - the reason I spent the time to write it. I even thought of you specifically at one point while I wrote it, wondering if you would provide anything surprising in response given your active participation in this thread. I still, every time, hope for someting surprising from you. I'm an optimist who believes things can get better. You think my gal is hot, eh? Well, she is - in every way that matters and then some that don't. This comedy has gone on long enough don't you think? One term is plenty satisfying - now let's take the prize. Imagine the deep breath of relief we could all take all around the world with her in office for four years.

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daftcunt's picture

 

wow, it took you 5 days to come back. must have struck a nerve then or you really do hold a grudge. 

 

What you want is simple to be achieved and there is no need to whine about it: 

stop posting this awkward dumb shit and you won't receive comments addressing your awkward dumb shit.

 

Now go and cry to your "girlfriend" or gal about it.

 

 

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blue_devil's picture

Sam Harris is a giant of perspective and thinking clearly about most subjects so you have to respect that.

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danmanjones's picture

IMO he just articulates his preconceieved concepts & applies them to anything that comes along, often with some kind of 'for instance' to make his ideas seem convincing. I wouldn't call that thinking, although he's obviously done a lot of that too.

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skeptoid's picture

He's too cold sometimes in his calculation - for example he advised people not to put too much stock in Gabbard's campaign because she doesn't know the right alking points on Assad. WTF? We are sick of strategy and managing and manipulating perception - we are starving for a raw and frank accounting of the situation. Sam still thinks this is a game of Machiavellian political science - people see that now. The magic doesn't work if folks can see how the rabbit goes in the hat. It's about integrity and authenticity now, and telling it like it is. Assad is an asshole, but he keeps ISIS in check and is better than what we saw happen to Libya. I have had lengthy conversations with more than one Syrian cab driver and they tell me Assad is about the best you can get in that region and we don't understand that - the majority of people just want to do business, lead lives, have security and whatever freedom they can incrementally develop over time. Our ideas of going in there and engineering what we think they should have is idiotic. It's so obviously idiotic.

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danmanjones's picture

why do you call Assad an asshole?

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skeptoid's picture

Because he's the leader of a country mainly. It's rare to find a leader of a country even these days who isn't an assshole. I don't know maybe Jimmy Carter wasn't.

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danmanjones's picture

As a president Carter was about as bad as any other US president.....

- He oversaw the CIA sending Wahhabi salafism into Afghanistan, a move that seriously fucked Afghanistan's culture.

- He oversaw genocide in Guatemala & increased financial sabotage on the country.
- He continued the policy of aiding right wing death squads in El Salvador, setting it up for the atrocities committed under Raegan.

 

As an ex-president he's used his status to contribute a lot back to the world though. Far more than any other that I know of.

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