Snakeoil works in most cases. That's how the system works.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Thanks for drawing views and validating the report.
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boldfart (Long Spike)
You drew to the wrong conclusion as usual. Some surprise tthere.
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Maxpower (Old Spike)
The fucked up thing is how the press rejected the effectiveness of this drug immediately after Trump suggested it. Even if it's not 100% effective (particularly in the later stages of the disease), but it helps some people, why shit on it? If your goal is truly to get through this pandemic with minimal harm, then why immediately dismiss any potential treatment when we currently have none?
The answer is because it's political. As much they try to pretend like they're concerned for everyone's well-being, it's really about using this crisis as both a cudgel to beat Trump with and a flimsy excuse to power grab and push through extreme bullshit in relief bills. They don't give a shit about anyone, and as they've proven many times, they're not above lying to get their way (outright, through omission, or by distorting the context of events).
The Democrat Party and the mainstream press that support them are so anti-American anymore, I don't know how anyone who actually lives in this country can support them. These same dipshits are constantly making excuses for China's role in this pandemic, while their cohorts in the tech world censor anything that goes against that narrative. Some of you left-leaning people get really heated about the China stuff, but I'm not sure how committed you could really be when you support the party they donate to the most.
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Both my Aunt and Uncle in Lousiana got Covid-19. Both prescribed Hydroycloriquine <sp> My uncle felt great after a few hours, and could breathe fine. My Aunt didn't get better was put on oxygen and kept overnight. but released the next day, and it stayed with her for 3 weeks. This caused her to stay on oxygen (little tank) for that time. The shitty part, my uncle was still positive, felt better, self-quarantined for 2 weeks. Then went out in the world for the next 2 weeks, got retested to go back to work and ... STILL had Covid-19. He has been quarantined for a month and is now asymptomatic.
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UnholyChicken (Old Spike)
Morning all. Look at the evidence and TFY. The majority of news reporters of any political alignment have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to science, they exist to sell commercial breaks.
Outcomes of hydroxychloroquine usage in United States veterans hospitalized with Covid-19
CONCLUSIONS: In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.
This single study is the one referenced by those upset that doctors are prescribing the medication. It is referenced in the report above. There are a number of additional studies ongoing - in the report above a doctor conducting a study with a sample size so far of 400 sees significant results. An article today reports a study showing that this medication in combination with two others was seen to reduce COVID mortality by 50%.
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UnholyChicken (Old Spike)
Hi, Do you know of anywhere that links to all of the studies? I’d be interested to read them all, hopefully others would too rather than a political flame war. I’d of course be very happy if this stuff does work.
I can’t help but think that given the French study was based on mild to moderate cases, regression to the mean would be a major component. Conversely there is bound to be an unhealthy user bias in the studies that have shown negative results.
I got nerfed with it in the first week it was wild in the UK. I can see the potential pitfall of medication that changes your heart rhythm as my heart was already going nuts from the hypoxia. I got tunnel vision and collapsed after walking up the stairs too quick : /
We should have a ‘have you had covid yet’ poll to share tips / war stories (if it’s not too soon)
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boldfart (Long Spike)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169
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UnholyChicken (Old Spike)
3 month double blind study of 40,000 people. that's more like it!
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Yes, from the same source you used. Unlike many, and I'm not saying you did this, I didn't stop at the answer I wanted to hear so I can leverage information to use a situation that threatens everyone regardless of political affiliation to bark at those who don't share my political beliefs. I'm doing my best to approach this thing like an actual, real journalist would, like Sharyl does above. Sharyl went independent after years as a mainstream, on-air cable news personality because she wanted to continue doing actual journalism. Here's the study - just a new born, not peer-reviewed yet: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1
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For me that's where the problem lies. Journalists shouldn't be approaching this other than to say an existing drug is being trialled, watch this space for FDA approval. The study sizes that people are talking about are far to small to account for all of the variables in genetics, lifestyle, existing health, presented health etc.
I’m pumped for the results of the 40,000 person study.
For now who stands to win and lose from stock price changes would be a better question for journalists.
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monkeymania (Long Spike)
Study released today probably just fake news though. It's definitely going to take time to get the clear results of the testing.
A massive study of 96,032 hospitalized coronavirus patients found that the antimalarial medications hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine did not appear to benefit the patients who took them.
Instead, those who received one of the medications had a higher risk of death than those who did not take them.
The retrospective study looked at patients over four months across six continents and found that taking the medications was associated with an increased frequency of abnormal heartbeats.
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boldfart (Long Spike)
"Instead, those who received one of the medications had a higher risk of death than those who did not take them."
Please do not explain this sentance to Trump.
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America deserves the leadership it voted for. I had hoped for better.
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(Long Spike)
Snakeoil works in most cases. That's how the system works.
(Old Spike)
Thanks for drawing views and validating the report.
(Long Spike)
You drew to the wrong conclusion as usual. Some surprise tthere.
(Old Spike)
The fucked up thing is how the press rejected the effectiveness of this drug immediately after Trump suggested it. Even if it's not 100% effective (particularly in the later stages of the disease), but it helps some people, why shit on it? If your goal is truly to get through this pandemic with minimal harm, then why immediately dismiss any potential treatment when we currently have none?
The answer is because it's political. As much they try to pretend like they're concerned for everyone's well-being, it's really about using this crisis as both a cudgel to beat Trump with and a flimsy excuse to power grab and push through extreme bullshit in relief bills. They don't give a shit about anyone, and as they've proven many times, they're not above lying to get their way (outright, through omission, or by distorting the context of events).
The Democrat Party and the mainstream press that support them are so anti-American anymore, I don't know how anyone who actually lives in this country can support them. These same dipshits are constantly making excuses for China's role in this pandemic, while their cohorts in the tech world censor anything that goes against that narrative. Some of you left-leaning people get really heated about the China stuff, but I'm not sure how committed you could really be when you support the party they donate to the most.
(Long Spike)
Both my Aunt and Uncle in Lousiana got Covid-19. Both prescribed Hydroycloriquine <sp> My uncle felt great after a few hours, and could breathe fine. My Aunt didn't get better was put on oxygen and kept overnight. but released the next day, and it stayed with her for 3 weeks. This caused her to stay on oxygen (little tank) for that time. The shitty part, my uncle was still positive, felt better, self-quarantined for 2 weeks. Then went out in the world for the next 2 weeks, got retested to go back to work and ... STILL had Covid-19. He has been quarantined for a month and is now asymptomatic.
(Old Spike)
Morning all. Look at the evidence and TFY. The majority of news reporters of any political alignment have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to science, they exist to sell commercial breaks.
Outcomes of hydroxychloroquine usage in United States veterans hospitalized with Covid-19
CONCLUSIONS: In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.
source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v2.full.pdf+html
(Old Spike)
This single study is the one referenced by those upset that doctors are prescribing the medication. It is referenced in the report above. There are a number of additional studies ongoing - in the report above a doctor conducting a study with a sample size so far of 400 sees significant results. An article today reports a study showing that this medication in combination with two others was seen to reduce COVID mortality by 50%.
(Old Spike)
Hi, Do you know of anywhere that links to all of the studies? I’d be interested to read them all, hopefully others would too rather than a political flame war. I’d of course be very happy if this stuff does work.
I can’t help but think that given the French study was based on mild to moderate cases, regression to the mean would be a major component. Conversely there is bound to be an unhealthy user bias in the studies that have shown negative results.
I got nerfed with it in the first week it was wild in the UK. I can see the potential pitfall of medication that changes your heart rhythm as my heart was already going nuts from the hypoxia. I got tunnel vision and collapsed after walking up the stairs too quick : /
We should have a ‘have you had covid yet’ poll to share tips / war stories (if it’s not too soon)
(Long Spike)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169
(Old Spike)
3 month double blind study of 40,000 people. that's more like it!
(Old Spike)
Yes, from the same source you used. Unlike many, and I'm not saying you did this, I didn't stop at the answer I wanted to hear so I can leverage information to use a situation that threatens everyone regardless of political affiliation to bark at those who don't share my political beliefs. I'm doing my best to approach this thing like an actual, real journalist would, like Sharyl does above. Sharyl went independent after years as a mainstream, on-air cable news personality because she wanted to continue doing actual journalism. Here's the study - just a new born, not peer-reviewed yet: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1
(Old Spike)
For me that's where the problem lies. Journalists shouldn't be approaching this other than to say an existing drug is being trialled, watch this space for FDA approval. The study sizes that people are talking about are far to small to account for all of the variables in genetics, lifestyle, existing health, presented health etc.
I’m pumped for the results of the 40,000 person study.
For now who stands to win and lose from stock price changes would be a better question for journalists.
(Long Spike)
Study released today probably just fake news though. It's definitely going to take time to get the clear results of the testing.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
Reuters
A massive study of 96,032 hospitalized coronavirus patients found that the antimalarial medications hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine did not appear to benefit the patients who took them.
Instead, those who received one of the medications had a higher risk of death than those who did not take them.
The retrospective study looked at patients over four months across six continents and found that taking the medications was associated with an increased frequency of abnormal heartbeats.
(Long Spike)
"Instead, those who received one of the medications had a higher risk of death than those who did not take them."
Please do not explain this sentance to Trump.
(Long Spike)
America deserves the leadership it voted for. I had hoped for better.