Is Reality Real? The Simulation Argument

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Ozmen's picture
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If this is a simulation then the simulators are fucking assholes.

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backdraft's picture
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So no personal responsibility of what you make of your life?

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Ozmen's picture
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Wait.... Parasites eating childrens eyes is my personal responsibility? You're one fucked up puppy.

 

How can I be personaly responsible for something that is not of my making? I'm not a product of random physical phenomena with consiousness. I'm a simulation with precoded parameters made by some other entity and this is the world they made. They're fucking assholes.

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backdraft's picture
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Yeah I'm not saying natural disasters and diseases are our fault.

Rather, a good portion of things that are fucked up in todays world, could be fixed if we would just choose to do so. For example, I think it's kind of a collective asshole move to be able to fix world hunger, but not to do it. 

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Ozmen's picture
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Oh absolutely, collective assholiness is the worst. Hunger, poverty, climate change, many diseases and parasites, illiteracy, ignorance... All and more could be fixed if we just cared a little more and the stupid thing is it would make the lives of those better as well who are not affected by those things in any direct way.

 

Still, if created or simulated the blame falls on the parameter setters. God or the 'whatever' simulator.

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backdraft's picture
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"Still, if created or simulated the blame falls on the parameter setters. God or the 'whatever' simulator."

 

Well, natural disasters and diseases aside, you could argue that I should blame god / the simulator when I deliberately hit my hand with a hammer and it hurts like hell. I didn't ask for this parameter.

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daftcunt's picture

If you think about it, doing something "deliberately" may not be the case at all, god(s) may have just forced you to do it and created the illusion of you doing it deliberately.

For all we know we just may be part of a game where the creator(s) - or maybe just users - make us do things and watch us doing them. Like a real life carmageddon:

OK, lets MAKE somebody (player1) get drunk tonight and then MAKE him drive his car too fast around the city and then DISTRACT a young mother (player2) so she does not pay attention and pushes her pram right into the vehicle path, killing the baby (simulated, not a player) in the process.

We wouldn't even know we were played!

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backdraft's picture
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True. It might be that ultimately we have no free will. Whatever the case, we have to assume that free will does exist or society would become a blame game, which it already is to some extent -> see politics. 

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daftcunt's picture

Yep, similar to if it were a creation!

That said if it is a creator or a simulator there would be a difference:

The intent. 

So one could argue the simulator does a kind of science project, the creator, however, is the real cunt.

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Ozmen's picture
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The parent that creates life and then neglects it is by definition that, neglectful. Makes no difference if it is created or simulated if they are equally 'real' for a given value of real. Not that it matters at all as if we are a simulation then we matter as much as a flick of a switch. The same goes for an omnipotent God but I'm yet to find a religion that actually has an omnipotent God at its center. They're all too weak to lift the mountain that is too large for them to lift.

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daftcunt's picture

Well just because a simulation is "left to its devices" does not necessarily mean it is neglected, it may just be an experiment to find out what happens. As this "experiment" consists of the universe it would be even likely that the simulators are not aware of every single minor detail (like our little planet). 

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