Optics not so good for Russia

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

Radio Free Europe is US state propaganda & a CIA cutout

 

Do you expect them to make Russia's military look good or...?

 

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stokkebye's picture

Pics and vids dont lie my guy, optics...I dont care who reports or where they get their funding, to which you seem to be obsessed about, a fucking kid with a phone can take the same pics and i would say the same. 

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

this vid has 5 second snippets of interviews with locals & the military that US is supporting, showing a story they want you to see - produced by a US govt propaganda outlet

 

you've just got done disparaging raw & uncut interviews of locals in Mariupol that I uploaded a couple days back, acting like it's some kind of staged bullshit but you had no evidence whatsoever & like many others your reasons for doubting what was shown were vague at best - it was produced by an indie journo with a profile that's online to see

 

and you're talking about "optics"

 

get real my guy, at least try & be a little bit consistent in your skepticism, confirmation bias doesn't do you any favours if your intention is to get a clear picture of things. The "optics" the public see are whatever, Russia never stood a chance in the West's information warfare domain, they haven't even tried to compete & have had their outlets banned in the West regardless. On top of this the West has launched the biggest war PR campaign I've ever seen. If you wanna actually assess Russia's military performance you're gonna needa dig a bit deeper than Radio Free Europe, I'm pretty sure the Pentagon isn't watching this for clues.

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backdraft's picture
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What don't you agree with this video?  How about giving us something more than hand waving.

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stokkebye's picture

Wow dude, take a fucking chill pill and pay attention, I dont care what these people say!!! Pics and vids dont lie and from what I am seeing it does not look good for Russia. Jesus christ. How many more times do I have to say this? I put almost %100 credibility in pics and vids, fuck, most of the time I am listening to music in the background when im watching these vids, I dont care what they say, I care about what their cameras catch. 

Im not saying Russia is winning or getting their asses kicked but they are losing quite a few vehicles and for a "super-power" to be losing that much, is not good optics!!!

Im getting worried about that, in that Russia might feel they need to drop some big bombs to end this faster. Im not sure how that would end up, if the rest of the world would be little bitches and let them get away with it. Imagine if the USA dropped a nuke on Baghdad because we were losing? That would not sit so well with people. The aggressors need to have more restraint than that. 

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

"Russia might feel they need to drop some big bombs to end this faster"

yeah there's a balance between the firepower they use & colateral damage

they're well-within proportional use of firepower, way under it I'd say considering the figures coming out, sounds like roughly 4-5k losses on their side incl DPR forces, 30ish thousand on Ukr military side & 6-7k civilians.

 

In urban warfare a 1:1 ratio of military to civilan casualties is considered proportional & theirs is roughly 4:1 so it shows how careful they're being.

 

they're not using their usual doctrine of "hammer & anvil" which is where you bombard with heavy artillery & move troops in while continuing to bombard. Most of the Ukr forces have embedded themselves in civilian areas, without evacuating the civlians (a war crime) and even prevented civies from leaving & using them literally as human shields by engaging from behind them, especially in Mariupol.

 

that said, I do agree there's a danger of their military reputation being undermined but don't think it has been for people who count. The first couple weeks was a bit loose & since then it's been some hard going, they could be there for many months at this rate, grinding out city by city, village by village.

 

So far they've managed to weaken the Ukr military in a number of ways & now have to grind them out of Donbass. Not sure what else they'll do but there's a good 60k Ukr forces left in Donbass & they're really well dug in.

 

Also you typically want to have 3 attackers for every defender.

They went in with under 200k troops going up against a force with 260k active members. All NATO trained with NATO gear, NATO advisors & intel & also battle experience from being rotated for 5+ years at the Donbass front.

 

the idea that Russia's losing to grandmas or volunteers with AKs is silly. Ukraine has a pretty strong army. It's the mistakes Russia makes that are probably what could undermine their reputation, not these small tactical losses like the video you've shown. That's my 2c as someone who doesn't consider himself a military analyst.

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Timmy Tosser's picture
redd2

The worlds most pathetic fighting force. Adept at accidentally blowing up their own tanks..

 

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1509912039581442056?s=20&t=s8Sg8YVLfjPgVqfS4OG4zA

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danman's picture
whm2whm3

the link doesn't show Russia accidentally accidentally blowing up anyone's tank let alone their own

 

what a fail

 

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pics from liberated cities

https://preview.redd.it/lf53z5q036r81.jpg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddca934e7a8f06c685de2e6972031ed2ba489d1fhttps://preview.redd.it/38ayu9q036r81.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c16de5703f9cb4c302eb1b76cc36156d4e45f980

above bodies belong to the head of a Motyzhyn(town outside kyiv) and her family that were taken by russians 10 days ago

https://preview.redd.it/s6p1l9q036r81.jpg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70da8158079c96a85375fd40a0533201c520169f

https://i.redd.it/qpii9j6n36r81.jpg

thats a few naked women they tried to burn after they were finished with them

 

if they don't fight back and countries don't help, we would never know

Russian State technical standard for mass graves

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPVV0PSXoAcYZLP?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPVV0PRXsAoo2Mv?format=png&name=900x900

 

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Timmy Tosser's picture
redd2

Thanks for sharing. Eventually the whole world will see this cowards army brought to justice...hopefully.

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backdraft's picture
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Starting look like the nazi is on the other foot

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