Wheeled bulldozers are being used to collect the heavy parts of the debrit. The parts will be stored at a different location to be investigated.
The head of civil aviation in Iran has given a press conference.
Key points:
- the blackbox will take 1-2 months to download & decode
- the investigation will take 1-2 years
- there is no evidence of a missile hitting the aircraft (he didn't reference the NYTimes video proporting to show a missile hitting the plane)
- US officials claim to have evidence of a missile hitting the plane - they should share it with the investigation team
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Dude, the US military and probably every other nation had satellites watching every inch of Iran that night to see what they would do. I guarantee they have evidence that shows they fired that missile. But just as they wont allow Google to use better satellite imagery for their maps, they sure as shit wont share any sort of intel to Iran. That shit would be highly classified. And it would give Iran an idea of what we are capable of. It is very clear at this point they did in fact fire a missile taking it down, anyone who says otherwise is either retarded or just loves Iran for some reason.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
I guarantee they have evidence that shows they fired that missile
Dude.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
It was an Iranian military accident based on human error.
Iranian Foreign Minister:
A sad day. Preliminary conclusions of internal investigation by Armed Forces:
Human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster
Our profound regrets, apologies and condolences to our people, to the families of all victims, and to other affected nations.
Armed Forces’ internal investigation has concluded that regrettably missiles fired due to human error caused the horrific crash of the Ukrainian plane & death of 176 innocent people. Investigations continue to identify & prosecute this great tragedy & unforgivable mistake. #PS752
Yeah they were caught red handed! Im tellign you, USA probably had irrefutable proof. Every sattelite they have was looking at them that night!
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
Yeah I don't disagree US satellites would know what happened. That doesn't mean US officials are telling the truth.
"caught red handed" is an overreach. The Iranian military investigated what happened & announced their findings within a few days.
I fucked up by assuming their AA systems were more competent than they are. On thinking about it I realised they're inexperienced & are operating old tech. Syria has faced thousands of missile attacks & only ever had 1 friendly fire incident, when Israeli jets were flying close by. I also knee-jerk reacted to Tim Pool. I hate that he was right about this haha.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
The AA missile systems are just trucks with 30-40 year old Russian radar systems. There are tons of videos out there of the Russians showing these tor systems off and they are NOT that sophisticated at all. Basic radar screens just show a blip on the radar screen.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
Yeah. I tend to stay away from military hardware stuff because it's so deep but am just starting to learn. IRGC Aerospace Force have other gear too but I guess not around Tehran & their communication seems to be pretty fucked.
IRGCAF are generally pretty switched on. Apparently they wanted all airspace shutdown but the higher ups didn't allow it (political reasons, no doubt). The guy who shot the Ukrainian plane sent an alert but when he received no answer after 10 seconds he fired. Manning those systems must be stressful.
This guy knows a lot about Syria/Iran military stuff, especially air defence because of his contacts, it's well worth the $2 if you wanna get a better understanding of MEast geopolitics...there's a couple of good posts about the recent flare up - link
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
LOL, after the initial accidental "find" that iran shot down the plane and way premature reporting he is of course riding this out and his fanboys are having a wankfest.
Iran admitted to shooting down the plane, hence there is no evidence to be removed or hidden.
Also if I were in the US's shoes I would keep a low profile about this as the unnecessary execution of the general effectively triggered this shit and there will be probably much more to come.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
So youre saying now we should expect civilian planes to be shot down everytime there is a conflict! Got it! So every time North Korea "test" fires a missile towards Japan They could just start shooting down civilian aircraft and blame it on North Korea! And you'll be OK with that!
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
I am not saying that at all, how old are you? 12?
I am saying this is part of a process that was started by the US, and it is still not clear why this point in time and location was chosen. I have a supicion it is for the smpotus to have a feather in his cap for the next election (as clearly this was done against the recommendations of his advisors).
Iran was extremely careful to avoid US casualties on their initial response. Rather than shutting down the airspace they kept it open, as they obviously did not expect any further response but this clearly was a mistake bacause someone panicked and pressed the button.
So the conclusion is rather simple: No assassination -> no firing missiles on a civillian aircraft by accident.
This is the kind of shit that happens when one initiates war.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Dude, you can play this blame game of who started going all the way back to the fucking stone age! Iran took responsibilty for their stupid actions yet here you are, making excuses and playing the blame game. How fucking old are you? Are we back in grade school playing this blame game shit? You learned, or should have learned back then that you take responsibilty for your actions and you cant blame others for what you do!
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(Old Spike)
Wheeled bulldozers are being used to collect the heavy parts of the debrit. The parts will be stored at a different location to be investigated.
The head of civil aviation in Iran has given a press conference.
Key points:
- the blackbox will take 1-2 months to download & decode
- the investigation will take 1-2 years
- there is no evidence of a missile hitting the aircraft (he didn't reference the NYTimes video proporting to show a missile hitting the plane)
- US officials claim to have evidence of a missile hitting the plane - they should share it with the investigation team
(sounds retarded)
Dude, the US military and probably every other nation had satellites watching every inch of Iran that night to see what they would do. I guarantee they have evidence that shows they fired that missile. But just as they wont allow Google to use better satellite imagery for their maps, they sure as shit wont share any sort of intel to Iran. That shit would be highly classified. And it would give Iran an idea of what we are capable of. It is very clear at this point they did in fact fire a missile taking it down, anyone who says otherwise is either retarded or just loves Iran for some reason.
(Old Spike)
I guarantee they have evidence that shows they fired that missile
Dude.
(Old Spike)
It was an Iranian military accident based on human error.
Iranian Foreign Minister:
Iranian President:
(sounds retarded)
Yeah they were caught red handed! Im tellign you, USA probably had irrefutable proof. Every sattelite they have was looking at them that night!
(Old Spike)
Yeah I don't disagree US satellites would know what happened. That doesn't mean US officials are telling the truth.
"caught red handed" is an overreach. The Iranian military investigated what happened & announced their findings within a few days.
I fucked up by assuming their AA systems were more competent than they are. On thinking about it I realised they're inexperienced & are operating old tech. Syria has faced thousands of missile attacks & only ever had 1 friendly fire incident, when Israeli jets were flying close by. I also knee-jerk reacted to Tim Pool. I hate that he was right about this haha.
GG
(sounds retarded)
The AA missile systems are just trucks with 30-40 year old Russian radar systems. There are tons of videos out there of the Russians showing these tor systems off and they are NOT that sophisticated at all. Basic radar screens just show a blip on the radar screen.
(Old Spike)
Yeah. I tend to stay away from military hardware stuff because it's so deep but am just starting to learn. IRGC Aerospace Force have other gear too but I guess not around Tehran & their communication seems to be pretty fucked.
IRGCAF are generally pretty switched on. Apparently they wanted all airspace shutdown but the higher ups didn't allow it (political reasons, no doubt). The guy who shot the Ukrainian plane sent an alert but when he received no answer after 10 seconds he fired. Manning those systems must be stressful.
This guy knows a lot about Syria/Iran military stuff, especially air defence because of his contacts, it's well worth the $2 if you wanna get a better understanding of MEast geopolitics...there's a couple of good posts about the recent flare up - link
(Old Spike)
LOL, after the initial accidental "find" that iran shot down the plane and way premature reporting he is of course riding this out and his fanboys are having a wankfest.
Iran admitted to shooting down the plane, hence there is no evidence to be removed or hidden.
Also if I were in the US's shoes I would keep a low profile about this as the unnecessary execution of the general effectively triggered this shit and there will be probably much more to come.
(sounds retarded)
So youre saying now we should expect civilian planes to be shot down everytime there is a conflict! Got it! So every time North Korea "test" fires a missile towards Japan They could just start shooting down civilian aircraft and blame it on North Korea! And you'll be OK with that!
(Old Spike)
I am not saying that at all, how old are you? 12?
I am saying this is part of a process that was started by the US, and it is still not clear why this point in time and location was chosen. I have a supicion it is for the smpotus to have a feather in his cap for the next election (as clearly this was done against the recommendations of his advisors).
Iran was extremely careful to avoid US casualties on their initial response. Rather than shutting down the airspace they kept it open, as they obviously did not expect any further response but this clearly was a mistake bacause someone panicked and pressed the button.
So the conclusion is rather simple: No assassination -> no firing missiles on a civillian aircraft by accident.
This is the kind of shit that happens when one initiates war.
(sounds retarded)
Dude, you can play this blame game of who started going all the way back to the fucking stone age! Iran took responsibilty for their stupid actions yet here you are, making excuses and playing the blame game. How fucking old are you? Are we back in grade school playing this blame game shit? You learned, or should have learned back then that you take responsibilty for your actions and you cant blame others for what you do!