this is interesting but there's some misinformation of course:
lavo unit: 160x120x40mm = 768,000mm3 volume
tesla unit: 160x75x16mm = 192,000mm3 volume (x4=the exact same 768,000mm3)
lavo unit: 40kwh storage
tesla unit: 13.5kwh storage
lavo unit: AU$30,000 plus installation and inverter cost (unknown at this time because installations haven't yet begun, now in the pre-order stage)
tesla unit: AU$13,000 installed including inverter
don't get me wrong this is still great and it's good to have alternatives and competition, it's just about the same cost rather than the much better option the video makes it out to be. sure it stores 3x more power but it's also 4 times larger and 3 times the cost.
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jdt73 (Short Spike)
but tesla musk is. derp. beep. lying beep.
Solar roadways and cold fusion for example.
Weeoop!
All women suck too (because they dont like me)
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
'member when battery cost were prohibitive for EV's?
Another, cheaper alternative would be the sodium ion battery if they get it to work
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Also, the different types of Lithium batteries are quite interesting. I had an e-Bike that I upgraded with a Lithium phosphate battery for $2500. 4 years later a replacement was $900. It was pretty sweet as it could handle freezing temperatures and be charged to 100% and left. Now Tesla uses them in their short range model 3s and easier to manage as one doesn't have to worry about charging to high or leaving charge to low.
Back to Hydrogen. This is a great application as homes will have the space, don't care about weight and once you have the system in place, extending it for more storage should be relativilty inexpensive.
It feels like we are so close to making Hydrogen systems viable but it always seems to be too expensive. Not sure if that's a focus but seems like we could use some innovation here. Or maybe just economies of scale.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
It is like with everything, look at the "new and innovative" stuff in a current S-class merc and you see what will be in any car in 5-10 years time
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GKhan (Old Spike)
I get that. But hydrogen (fuel cells) have been working for decades while at the same time having significant investment too but it just can't seem to lift off. I think it was the 90s that we had buses in Vancouver running on hydrogen then they went away. I beleive due to cost. All the mechanics of it haven't changed too much.
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sato (Old Spike)
sure but we learned that hydrogen is really too hard for transport applications. it has to be produced elsewhere then spread out and stored all over the place to wherever vehicles which run on it might be. it makes much more sense for static storage such as homes with solar systems, where refueling infrastructure isn't required because it's used at the same place it's made.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
The problem always was the cost of production and to a certain extent transport, however, now you have the opportunity to use solar panels to produce hydrogen and storage facilities in individual homes (or near local power stations). If there are enough of these produced prices will drop quickly!
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sato (Old Spike)
economies of scale is a bit of a myth really, all it is is innovation. you don't build a large factory making a lot of something until you know how to do it really efficiently.
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(Old Spike)
this is interesting but there's some misinformation of course:
lavo unit: 160x120x40mm = 768,000mm3 volume
tesla unit: 160x75x16mm = 192,000mm3 volume (x4=the exact same 768,000mm3)
lavo unit: 40kwh storage
tesla unit: 13.5kwh storage
lavo unit: AU$30,000 plus installation and inverter cost (unknown at this time because installations haven't yet begun, now in the pre-order stage)
tesla unit: AU$13,000 installed including inverter
don't get me wrong this is still great and it's good to have alternatives and competition, it's just about the same cost rather than the much better option the video makes it out to be. sure it stores 3x more power but it's also 4 times larger and 3 times the cost.
(Short Spike)
but tesla musk is. derp. beep. lying beep.
Solar roadways and cold fusion for example.
Weeoop!
All women suck too (because they dont like me)
- chunderf00t
(Old Spike)
'member when battery cost were prohibitive for EV's?
Another, cheaper alternative would be the sodium ion battery if they get it to work
(Old Spike)
Also, the different types of Lithium batteries are quite interesting. I had an e-Bike that I upgraded with a Lithium phosphate battery for $2500. 4 years later a replacement was $900. It was pretty sweet as it could handle freezing temperatures and be charged to 100% and left. Now Tesla uses them in their short range model 3s and easier to manage as one doesn't have to worry about charging to high or leaving charge to low.
Back to Hydrogen. This is a great application as homes will have the space, don't care about weight and once you have the system in place, extending it for more storage should be relativilty inexpensive.
It feels like we are so close to making Hydrogen systems viable but it always seems to be too expensive. Not sure if that's a focus but seems like we could use some innovation here. Or maybe just economies of scale.
(Old Spike)
It is like with everything, look at the "new and innovative" stuff in a current S-class merc and you see what will be in any car in 5-10 years time
(Old Spike)
I get that. But hydrogen (fuel cells) have been working for decades while at the same time having significant investment too but it just can't seem to lift off. I think it was the 90s that we had buses in Vancouver running on hydrogen then they went away. I beleive due to cost. All the mechanics of it haven't changed too much.
(Old Spike)
sure but we learned that hydrogen is really too hard for transport applications. it has to be produced elsewhere then spread out and stored all over the place to wherever vehicles which run on it might be. it makes much more sense for static storage such as homes with solar systems, where refueling infrastructure isn't required because it's used at the same place it's made.
(Old Spike)
The problem always was the cost of production and to a certain extent transport, however, now you have the opportunity to use solar panels to produce hydrogen and storage facilities in individual homes (or near local power stations). If there are enough of these produced prices will drop quickly!
(Old Spike)
economies of scale is a bit of a myth really, all it is is innovation. you don't build a large factory making a lot of something until you know how to do it really efficiently.