Some Spikers seem to only want to see China Bad posts on here, particularly disinfo from outlets like Serpentza, Falun Gong & even the CIA.
Neutral & positive posts about China receive all sorts of resistance - spamming more disinfo, abusive comments, complaints about shilling etc.
The problem for these Spikers is that doesn't work, it just makes me wonder why they want this site to become an echo chamber.
inb4 "OP is a shill": see this previous video I posted where he rips into the Chinese wet markets & explains the nuances of closing them down.
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(Long Spike)
"h1n1 was started", that sounds so asian. who started it? why did they start it up? could they have been talked out of starting it up? usually in science, you either invent something or you discover something. as for not mentioning an american pandemic, they knew, like in the article you posted. it had roots in eurasia
you also left out dog meat, china's dual citizenship issue, the caste system, or the other caste system the hokou. and recently, chinas unwillingness to give up the canadians
(Old Spike)
The first sentence in the scientific paper I posted:
The paper makes it clear that mutations of the swine flu virus were detected several times in America over the course of the 20th century, culminating in the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic.
it had roots in eurasia
The paper states:
and:
.. so the "H1N1 Eurasian ‘avian-like’ swine" was traced to North American "avian swine H1N1" & has been known about for 80 years in North America. This refutes your claim that it "had roots in Eurasia" because the Eurasian varient is rooted in North America.
This is clearly illustrated on the graphic:
"h1n1 was started" is incorrect grammar because h1N1 is not the same thing as the 2009 Swine Flu virus that started in America. The problem is not the word started. It's not a scientific paper though, it's a meme.
Where did the varient of H1N1 swine flu that caused the pandemic (starting in America) come from?
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic started in America though as the paper states:
It was known about for 2 years as a potential problem in America but they failed to act. Subsequently over 250k people died worldwide in 2009 from the disease that started in America.
And yet where is the scrutiny of America, Americans, the American government etc.
Seems like double standards to let them off the hook while bemoaning China for this coronavirus don't you think?
On this Business Insider graphic it's listed as "H1N1" rather that "American Flu" as it should be, and yet the coronavirus is listed as "Wuhan"....that's probably why the American flag was added:
(Long Spike)
heres the link you gave yesterday with thos graphs https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08182 and heres a quote from it "Given that S-OIV contains genes of Eurasian origin" how does something get started in in america when it has part from eurasia?
not gona bother going into anything else cause i'm sure you'll edit your comment another 7 times
(Old Spike)
I already addressed the Eurasian aspect - the roots of that varient were traced back to America as shown in the graph.
Also, "has origins" is not the same as "started in". The 2009 pandemic started in America & Mexico & is immediately traced to a virus that was known about by the American government as a national health concern for 2 years.
You've said nothing that refutes this core point.
Where is the scrutiny of America, Americans, or in particular the American government?
The science shows they "covered it up" for 2 years before 2009. Don't you think this is double standards when compared to the reporting we've seen from the coronavurs this year?
(Long Spike)
look at the time stamps of our comments, both 21:42. a wise man said you would edit your comment.
i'm done refuting, i've posted links to credible sources, you've countered with screen grabs of peoples twitters, the only thing you've addressed is your incompetence, 3rd quote down
this is you today "The 2009 pandemic started in America & Mexico"
this is you a few days ago "The varient of H1N1 that affects humans but came from pigs, commonly refered to as Swine Flu, traces back to America as early as 1976 & is a mutation of Spanish Flu that caused a pandemic in 1918"
this is also you "I don't know enough about it to comment but the coloquial term "Swine Flu" references the strain that's been spread around the world in the past few decades & that started in America.
Google tells me that's where it came from, that's good enough for me."
when are you going to accept responsibility of your actions instead of comparing them to the actions of others?
(Old Spike)
I didn't know enough to comment but then I looked into it more.
"The 2009 pandemic started in America & Mexico" is what the scientific paper I quoted in the comment above that one says. It's made clear in the first sentence of my previous comment, and of the paper.
You're still deflecting from the main point of all of this....
Where is the scrutiny of the American response to the 2009 Swine Flu outbreak, a virus that the American health authorities knew was a potential problem for at least 2 years?
(Long Spike)
well. to put it simply. i dont have to answer anything, my house isn't the one on fire. im the guy bringing the hot dogs, wondering why you didnt learn anything from the fire in 2003 and 2009
here a scientific paper written by 2 Han's, a Li and a Lu, they say it started in mexico and there asian
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228478295_Evolutionary_characteristics_of_swine-origin_H1N1_influenza_virus_that_infected_humans_from_sporadic_to_pandemic
(Old Spike)
That's a much better response. Apart from the first paragraph anyway.
That paper says it emerged in Mexico in 2009 but doesn't refute the paper I provided which states that the American health authorities knew about it as a national concern since 2007.
And you still haven't addressed the core point of comparing this massive criticism that's been going around to that of the US (or Mexican if you prefer) government in 2009.
you didn't learn anything from ...
Do you think I represent China or something? Weird. Also weird because compared to the 2003 SARS crisis this one was handled infinitely better according to the WHO so the point you were trying to make holds no weight.
bringing the hotdogs
gloating over a health crisis isn't something to be proud of, sal.
house on fire
...hardly. The Chinese response to contain it has been hardcore but the problem itself isn't that big of a deal. It's killing far less people than the regular flu. Americans are panicking bigtime and acting like a house is on fire. The American government hasn't offered any substantial help, & were the first to pull out consulate staff & ban flights, which goes against WHO recomendations. Couple these actions with the American media response & it's hard to see it as anything more than cashing in on a health crisis, trying to use it for political gain. We've seen attempts to score political points on here too with everything from fabrications about a cover-up to supremacist garbage.
Not your proudest moment I'd say.
(Long Spike)
hey, when i die can i donate my dick to chinese medicine? so some guy will be eating my dick long after i'm gone
(Old Spike)
Nah, tiny ones just bring bad luck. Generous idea though.
(Long Spike)
Yes.