Corporate Welfare - Honest Government Advert

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Honest Government Advert | Corporate Welfare

The Australien Government just released this advert about its $1b handout to Adani for his reef-killing, water-guzzling, climate-changing, ancestral land-desecrating mega coal mine - and it's surprisingly honest and informative.

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CountMeOut's picture

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puttefnask's picture

I wonder what happened to all the farmers in the Soviet famine of 1932-1933?

 

It's as if they were wiped off the face of planet Earth.

Almost like someone didn't like them making more money than others, so they labeled them traitors, took away their passports which made it impossible to leave their own village, took away their land, threw them on the streets to starve or straight up executed most of them?

 

It's almost like there was this communist agenda to have the government take over all agriculture, and then starve 10 million people to death, because at least this way there would finally be equality. i.e everybody's equally starving.

 

So using farmers to promote an ideology that inevitably kills them is fucking hilarious.

You're a legend, just 2 days in.

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CountMeOut's picture

You sound triggered. To fill in the gap of your home schooling, medieval times is the period between the 5th and 15th century. 

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tumbi's picture
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I agree that the soviet union had a lot of shitty policies, but that doesn't really seem like an argument for corporate wellfare.

 

And the world is very far from being binary. You can find both leftist and 'capitalist' societies with both functional and dysfunctional agricultural policies.

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puttefnask's picture

Have any of those capitalist societies purposely starved their own people to death by the millions?

No.

 

And to CountMeOut, the picture depicts medieval farmers as "conservatives", a term that wasn't used in a political context until the 1800s. They also depict farmers speaking of Lords, as if they were seperate. Chances are if you were a farmer with enough land and animals, you were wealthy because of the greater ability to produce and sell goods. You would be called upon by kings at times they required your services(at times of war or famine), and they often granted Lordships to those who served them well. Keeping the inhabitants of your kingdom fed at a time in need is the best way to prevent attempts to overthrow the throne or government. This is something that is still true of governments today. It's even an effective strategy against foes.

 

If you want to discuss and criticize the history of taxation, you have to at least acknowledge that the approach to procuring taxes had many different forms in the time period between the 5th and 15th century. You've highlighted an entire millennia, indeed the duration of the Medieval times. But there was also another ideology during that time period which put its cause ahead of individual rights and scientific research and labeled any opposing ideas as blasphemy, and everyone has since agreed to call it the DARK AGES.

 

I'm pointing out that using vague historical references to medieval times to criticize a modern economic philosophy, in order to romanticise your own repeatedly failed ideology as some kind of solution to the world's problems today is batshit insane.

 

I know you're going to deny having said anything about your own beliefs, but it's apparent in your low-brow attempt at criticising capitalism. Capitalism deserves a lot of criticism, but nobody else would use such an example. It's very similar to what communist propagandists did, using roles in society to change public opinion.

 

Which is why I started criticising communism, but hey if you're not a communist, just say so.

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Have any of those capitalist societies purposely starved their own people to death by the millions?

No

 

Yes

1.5 million British-ruled Irish, 1845–1849
3 million British-ruled Indians, 1943–1944

 

Both the above examples feature British policies that deliberately caused an agricultural failure to become a widespread famine, not dissimilar to the Holodomor.

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puttefnask's picture

"Their own people".

 

How many brits did they starve?

No?

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danmanjones's picture

All of the people listed were subjects of the British empire on the dates shown.

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puttefnask's picture

And all your definitions of capitalist nations that starve their own people are vague.

I'm the one who was specific: "...purposely starved their own people".

 

I'm not talking about colonies of royals conquering far off lands. I'm talking about how an ideology serves itself ahead of its followers despite logic.

 

We want equality.

But everyone is starving.

Kill that guy. And all the farmers too, fuck them. Look, look they're fat and rich. Rich people are evil. They want more for themselves. They barely pay any taxes. Look at that one's belly. You can stab him, it's okay.

But who is going to farm?

Kill him too. Anymore questions? Don't worry about the farming, we will fix it. We are one.

Have you fixed it yet?

Kill that guy!

I'm already dead.

Yeah, I'm dead too.

Silence!

We're kind of heaping up here along the countryside. It's not good.

Okay okay! Nobody likes complainers. We are all the same.

Don't worry we will relocate you to this great place. Great place, I'm telling you.

Okay.

Please step into the vehicle everybody.

Where are we goin....

SHUT UP TRAITOR!

YOU BELONG IN THE GULAG!

But I didn't do anything

Hah, traitor's talk. I've heard it all.

Think about what you've done to get here.

Okay.

What the fuck did I do wrong?

SHUT UP! I CAN HEAR YOU THINK THOUGHT CRIMES!

No you can't.

How dare you question Marx, Lenin, Stalin, the next guy?!

I didn't.

FIRING SQUAD!

No, please don't. Have mercy! I'm sorry!

HAH. MERCY FOR A TRAITOR?

YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU DID WHAT YOU DID!

I did nothing!

EXACTLY!

OPEN FIRE!

We are out of ammunition, commander.

Stab him!

He ran away.

Chase him!

We are too weak. We are starving. But you are not starving. Are those crumbs on your mustache?

Stay away! I am your commander! Follow my orders!

You're so fat. Just give us a little food.

Yes, please commander.

No! You have eaten your food, this is my food!

But you have more than us.

Nonsense! We are the same. We are equal.

No we are not commander.

Let me lick your mustache.

No! Get off me! Help!

MMMMmmm you smell like meatballs!

NO! GET OFF ME! IN THE NAME OF STALENIMARXISGODNO!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHRRRRGHHGGHHGHG

 

And they usually fail, but its always too late at too much cost.

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tumbi's picture
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I don’t think you will have trouble finding cases of agricultural policies in “capitalist” countries that result in starvation. E.g. crop destruction aimed at pushing up prices while people go hungry. Or in Honduras which exported peas and beef while its own peasants were starving.

 

You can argue that they are not specifically implemented in order to make people starve, but doesn’t that have more to do with authoritarianism than with communism?

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CountMeOut's picture

Just let the bot run its script. Soon it'll be out of data points. Reason is not something it is capable of. All it sees is black and white. 

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puttefnask's picture

The starvation in the Soviet was not an unintended consequence of some poorly implemented policy, which to be fair could be the outcome of capitalist policies, undoubtedly.

 

I'm saying that the ideology required equality of outcome, and their definitions were pushed so far to ensure equality of outcome that millions of people starving to death was not considered a problem.

 

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tumbi's picture
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No sane person will dispute that the soviet union was a shitshow, for all kinds of reasons. But I think we have to be careful in how far we generalise this to leftist societies in general. It's also worth remembering that many of the 'far left' experiments, have taken place under extremely volatile conditions, such as in russia where there was both a major civil war and a power grab by an authoritarian assholse (Stalin) or spain which also faced a civil war. Those are not ideal conditions for the development of a decent civil society. There is a nice quote on that by Martin Buber: “One cannot in the nature of things expect a little tree that has been turned into a club to put forth leaves.”

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