Aliens, PROOF?

daftcunt's picture

UFO spotted with ADVANCED Infrared CLOAKING device!

I can't think of an "earthly" explanation! Maybe someone specialist on here can help us out.

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skeptoid's picture

An "earthly" explanation for the bulk UAP phenomenon is I think the more probable, including these videos released and this month confirmed by the Pentagon as official videos of UAPs that the entirety of the US Air Force and Military Intelligence Apparatus cannot identify, confirmed visually by highly sane and observant military personnel trained to discern and identify, which is why your "grape-stuck-in-throat" security blanket here doesn't need to be afraid. The aliens are probably not here to get you - so relax. And, yes, it sucks but your absolute confidence in the hard limitations of what is achievable in terms of travel distance and speed may very well be wrong. It's nothing to get twisted up about - you have dudes who were in charge of launching nuclear warheads telling you this is real. You have a flight commander of advanced strike fighter aircraft engaged with one, with NO REASON TO LIE, corroberated by his wingmates, radar operators, and other personnel. 

 

Rather than start with "Aliens aren't here" or "that physics is impossible" why not start at actual step one? Try that out for a change? A decorated military officer who flies the most advanced fighters in the world and has 100x more credibility than you or Mr. Obtuse above is telling you he saw a craft violate the laws of physics. It was real, and it happened, and it was investigated as part of a group of similar sightings by equally-credible persons. Your thoughts? That's it dude - just your thoughts. LOL you don't have to immediately start ranting about aliens - I don't think you realize what you wear on your sleave when you do that.

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daftcunt's picture

So you, as a specialist in extraterrestrial and superhuman phenomena, say it is not alienmade? What is your explanation for it then? If you don't have any it must be, though, right? 

 

No credible analysis contains this: "Rather than start with "Aliens aren't here" or "that physics is impossible"..."

The conclusion may contain (and probably will) something in the lines of "No conclusive evidence could be found for..."

 

An eye witness, as any criminal investigator will be able to confirm, is notoriously unreliable. A specialist eye witness may have a better understanding / recollection of what they (think they?) saw. Still they saw something and could not explain it, nobody else can based on their recollection of events. What is the conclusion to be drawn?

 

As with any other belief system, the arguments of the followers are:

Can't explain it? So it MUST BE Aliens, god, the russians, the matrix or whatever their favourite bias on the topic is.

This is maybe good stuff for a scifi movie, however, not how proper investigation works.

The biased then like to call those that say "results are inconclusive at this stage, we don't know what it is, there is no proof for what you are saying" close minded, when it is in fact their own close mindedness that makes them favour their own bias. It gets worse if one dares to say is a "worldly" explanation on offer.

In case of this video you just decided to go down another path because you know the source and thus the probability that it actually is anything but a natural or at least man made phenomenon.  

 

Lastly the fear argument, a favourite of yours when it comes to faith based scenarios, is inherently flawed in this context (also and especially for the religious discussions too). If "aliens" were here, and maybe for centuries or millenia even, why would one fear them? We are not interesting enough to be generally and openly interacted with in one way or another, maybe just enough to be fucked about with (utilising a rapidly moving, physics defying large "tictac") every once in a while.....

 

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skeptoid's picture

I think you may actually be incapable of doing it. I've come to accept that recently. I haven't staked a certain position of the nature of the UAP phenomenon - all one can do is weigh probabilities. What is a "follower" - what are you talking about? You provided a list of arguments or positions that you think something called "followers" put forth. What is a follower, and what are they following? You don't seem to understand that I never bring up aliens - NEVER THAT TOPIC FIRST. I think it's less probable than other explanations - would be curious to have an actual conversation with you about it but I don't know that it's possible because of your programming. Typically, I let the other person who already has that in their head, is afraid of the notion, and preset to debunk the UAP phenomena absolutely based on that fear, bring "the aliens" up first. It's usually the very first thing they start doing - you do it, mouth-grape above does it, in one of the Buddha vids he does a montage of folks just like your YTuber above, doing it. When you look inward, if you can do that, why do you do you think you behave this way?

 

I'm going to try again - let's see if you can break away from your programming for even an instant:

 

Rather than start with "Aliens aren't here" or "that physics is impossible" why not start at actual step one? Try that out for a change? A decorated military officer who flies the most advanced fighters in the world and has 100x more credibility than you or Mr. Obtuse above is telling you he saw a craft violate the laws of physics. It was real, and it happened, and it was investigated as part of a group of similar sightings by equally-credible persons. It was seen right up close by eye, multiple similar objects were seen by eye and engaged with by other F-18 pilots, confirmed on radar, confirmed by everyone else who was there for these events. The Pentagon confirms the 2004 event. All of these more credible than you witnesses and actors describe a craft under apparent intelligent control that violated the laws of physics. Your thoughts? 

 

 

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My thoughts: as always you take yourself too seriously. If you are "open minded" and not one with an "alien UFO bias", the videos I posted on the topic are not aimed at you but those you specificly seem to try to distance yourself from. So why do you then feel the urge to get upset over it?

 

Neither in this video, nor in the other one I posted a "decorated military officer" was giving their witness statement regarding the phenomenon (I believe you refer to the "Nimitz event" or whatever they call it, correct?). So why mention it at all? Why don't you post something about that (I did a quick superficial search but only found stuff from UFO "enthusiasts" so did not persue further) and we can talk about it then.

 

For now we should stay with the topic of this video: If you don't think it was an alien vessel, case closed, right?
Same with "my" other video:  If you don't think it was an alien vessel and the explanation given seems plausible, case closed, right? If not please comment specifics on the corresponding video so we don't get confused.

 

I mentioned reliability of eye witness statements already. From the little I have seen about the Nimitz incident (I believe you are referring to) I don't think any serious conclusions can be drawn at all.
 

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The three videos released and confirmed by the Pentagon carry with them no statements as to what they might be. There's no mention of aliens in the release. The people who released the videos, and are investigating these incidents, entertain the alien visitation hypothesis but it's just one of many. The final video played above was taken by Commander Fraver's reporting pilot immediately after the incident Fraver describes below. The 5 minute video below details the incident. Now, as a starting point for a discussion about the UAP phenomenon, which is real, I have a choice of going with a guy who sounds like he hit his head really hard and films a coffee mug in a different spectrum or the testimony below. Acknowledging that everyone below could be either mistaken or dishonest as one of several probabilities in our discussion, which do you think is the rational choice to go with as the launching off point for the discussion?

 

From Richard Dolan to Mouthy Buddha, anyone who tries to be objective about the analysis of these vids and these testimonies (where the real meat lives) immediately notices that people like this guy above and yourself are still stuck in the old paradigm where your response to these videos and sudden wealth of direct evidence that UAP phenomenon - that is apparent craft under intelligent control violating our current laws of physics - are real and not imagined is to singularly focus on reassuring yourselves that aliens aren't visiting us right now. It's fascinating - it was the goal of a Pentagon-sponsored and executed psy-op deployed in the early 1950s that's a matter of public record. It was done to stop the public from mass-panic over a wave of sightings that occured then.

 

Did you know that?

 

Watch the five minute video below, and just let me know if you want to narrow the discussion down to nothing more than the experience these fighter pilots had and what it could have been in terms of probability.

 

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I absolutely agree with the pilot: It cannot be determined what that was.

The only recorded data in form of 2 seconds of thermal camera footage,  the pilot's observations and the statement of the blacked out person (what would be the reason for this anyway?) just don't leave any other option. 

 

We could take wild guesses, of course.

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Beta Tester

It's weird that they let the pilots talk about it openly. Most cases they are ordered to keep quiet.

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Good point. I guess one should expect that an incident that had a remote but valid chance of being an encounter with alien technology would be either kept completely confidential or the information would be authority controlled.

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Yup. There's plenty of cases where military personnel come forth with some UFO encounter info after 10-20 years once their confidentiality agreement has passed.  

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I doubt their confidentiality agreement with the military has an expiry date, more likely the files were released. If they were not taking the piss that is.....

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Here is another opinion on the incident.......

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