Mind Blown - Littlefinger Theory

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How Littlefinger FAKED his Death

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Thanks Stockhausen

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I made one theory about this also, because this isn't the only time Littlefinger evaded certain subjects, specifically matters about magic and ghosts.

 

My theory was basically that Littlefinger has and always was aware that greenseers are always watching. He also knows about the powerful abilities within the Stark bloodline, and the secrets of the Winterfell crypt, which is why he has been trying to marry into the family for years.

Many people believes he actually loved Caitlin. But he's the one who told you that. He also once told Varys that love is an illusion.

 

Littlefinger also has a power which I call "knowing by touching". Which is how he always knew when his whores were lying. Why he's often seen in the throne room. Why he knew about what really happened in the Tower of Joy.

And why he's always touching something or someone.

 

He made two Stark family members strangle him, on purpose.

He tried to comfort Caitlin after bringing Ned Stark's remains, by trying to touch her, she refused.

He told Tywin Lannister about rumors of a black shadow that assassinated Renly. But only Caitlin and Brienne of Tarth were there, and escaped shortly after. But Littlefinger did pay one visit to the dead Renly before leaving.

 

And his speech to Sansa Stark, about "having seen everything before, nothing will ever surprise you", as Bran, who had been missing for years, comes back home, and he doesn't even bat an eye.

 

Ever notice how Littlefinger always kept hanging around the Weirdwood tree after trying to get some from Sansa?

Did you notice that he, the one who seems terrified with ghosts, ended up getting Harrenhal which according to the books is filled to the brink with ghost sightings, and whose castle sports a Godswood with a Weirdwood Tree?

 

"Greenseer is the title given to people who possess the magical ability to perceive future, past or distant events in dreams known as Green Dreams"

 

"While one in a thousand men is born a skinchanger,(warg) one skinchanger in a thousand is born a greenseer. It is also mentioned that humans can be born greenseers just as they are born wargs."

 

One in a thousand skinchangers are born greenseers. I know, you would think there would be greenseers all over the place, unless someone was conspiring to remove any trace of magic in the Modern Westeros. Oh, there is: The Grand Maesters of the Citadel AKA the Google of Westeros.

 

The population of Westeros is roughly 40 million.

(No magic South babies for obvious reasons.  "Oh, for shame another deadborn. Sad, sad story, indeed. The will of the Gods. What can you do" -Maesters, the godfathers of Westeros.)

 

But the North has been left behind the wall, untouched by fragile old men in gowns, cirklejerking at the Citadel.

The population of the entire North is roughly 4 million

We have three confirmed greenseers in the storyline.

Bran Stark.

Jojen Reed.

The Three Eyed Raven.

All seemingly from the North.

That leaves one greenseer.

 

Is Petyr Baelish from the North?

Was he going "home" when he left King's Landing?

 

What I mean is: Is the guy, wearing Petyr Baelish's skin, from the North?

He said it himself:

 

Eddard Stark: "I understand you knew my brother Brandon as well."
Petyr Baelish: "All too well. I still carry a token of his esteem from navel to collarbone."
 
And... How far North?
 
I'm just saying Petyr Baelish will become the Night King.
Because he's not going back to King's Landing, now is he?
He's probably the hero of the story trying to stop Bran from creating an endless timeloop leaving everyone in a paradox that started because of his own selfishness.
The Starks are the worst thing that ever happened to Westeros.
 
PS: All the magic are just different types of time radiation, which people take advantage of with "magical" rocks from space which originated from the creation of time etc. Think about it. "Daenerys look into this gem". Dragonglass kills the undead. The undead don't rot etc.
 
Petyr Baelish's wardrobe is designed to look like trees. I think I got him down.
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Holy crap - started reading your comment and then realized I needed to schedule time to understand and respond adequately. I can see you have put a lot of thought into this subject. I'll edit this when I have time to respond.

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The books are filled with magical swords and rings that alters or enhances properties or abilities, and several of them have some kind of gem or stone encrusted. So if it sports a gem it could be it is superior in some way. Some swords make people faster swordsmen according to R.R.Martin . Valyrian Steel's abilities had been forgotten, and become a rare luxury metal being passed down in royal or wealthy families, yet they all have striking visual differences than normal metal. And Jon Snow found its ability to kill Whitewalkers by chance.  Making weapons out of dragon glass is the revival of these ancient technologies combining weaponry and jewelry with magical rocks from space.

 

And Littlefinger does sport some rings and at least one of them sports a red gem.

The red priests sports red gems in their jewelry, and we know one ability is keeping them young(The Red Woman) at least visually.

 

The Warlock Pyat Pree who stole Danaerys' dragons used gems to create powerful illusions, which involved multiplying himself. I suspect he can use the gems to create multiple, though short timelines, where he can do several things at once. The assassination of most of the members of "The Thirteen" in Qarth reveals that those timelines dissappear once it's done, as we saw when Jorah tried grabbing one of them, he dissappeared into thin air. The House of the Undying seems to be some kind of Ancient Holodeck. Perhaps even an artificial construction of a Weirdwood Tree. And he said himself that his magic became stronger in the presence of dragons, which may ellude that the dragons being of extraterrestrial origin.

 

Jon Snow's sword "LongClaw" is Valyrian Steel, but it also has tiny red gem in the eyes of the wolf on its handle. What extra abilities those give is still a mystery to me, but it was originally meant to be passed down to Jorah Mormont. But his father, Jeor Mormont seemed very fixated that Jon Snow should never lose the sword. That could just be "I had this made for you, stop losing it everywhere you asshole". But maybe... just maybe there's something to it. Luck enhanced by order of magnitude perhaps? He does seem to survive some pretty crazy situations...

 

At the Battle of the bastards he survived the stampede of Ramsay Bolton's army.(There was NO WAY)

The whole battle is proof of his luck. Evading arrows, horses, being trampled to death.

Sansa and Petyr arriving with the knights of the Vale, just in time. 

Every single of Ramsay's arrows(3 out of 3 arrows to the face and caught all of them with the shield).

 

Considering that he had the sword when he almost drowned in the North. He came back up to get it.

And then his uncle Benjin arrived out of nowhere to save him when the zombies saw him.

And before that being surrounded by endless numbers of zombies, Daenery's arrives just in time with her dragons.

Back when he killed his first Whitewalker, who should have been superior considering thousands of years of experience. And he did get the shit kicked out of him until he got the sword back.

And there was Karl who had Jon on his back, when a girl stabbed him in the back out of nowhere, and left Karl entirely open for Jon to get up and put LongClaw through his head.

When Jon was betrayed and killed, he left LongClaw behind.

When he came back to life, his sword was closer resting on the other table. Perhaps even in range of the power.

Maybe the Red Woman didn't bring him back after all.

Even when Jon was dead, outnumbered trying to protect his body, Ser Davos takes LongClaw: "I'm not much of a fighter. Apologies for what you're about to see".

And when they're just about to break down the door, suddenly Wildlings arrive with a giant and fucks up Alliser Thorne's day and ruins what would be the most awesome scene ever. Ser Davos kicking ass.

 

Yeah, pretty much solved.

 

BUT!

 

There's also the dagger which was used to assassinate Bran, which failed. It has a giant red gem on it. But since the attempt failed miserably, its purpose might be different. We are actually not sure if Littlefinger did this on the orders of Cersei. She has been accused of it, yes, and these charges were given to Littlefinger just before he died. But Cersei doesn't seem to like Littlefinger very much either. Tyrion tried asking Cersei if she did order to kill Bran, but she wouldn't confirm it, would she?

 

Perhaps, knowing what would eventually take place, Littlefinger made sure he was responsible for providing the knife being used to kill him in the end, in order to somehow "magically" undo it.

 

Seeing as Jon Snow's sword can alter the circumstances around any situation to save him, even from death, perhaps the dagger isn't so different? It has several ancient "magical" metals to it. It is confirmed to have a Valyrian Steel blade, but is also decorated with Dragonglass. Its hilt is made of Dragonbone.

 

Samwell Tarly can even be found reading about it at the Citadel in one episode of the last seasons, which means there is probably some larger significance to it than just "haha Littlefinger died of his own blade".

 

If you consider that the mysterious Eastern looking dagger is now in the hands of Arya, a faceless assassin trained in Braavos, who Littlefinger claims(lies) to know very little about, though he allegedly had ancestors from Braavos.

And Bran didn't seem to want it, who then gave it to Arya, but he knew there was something wrong about being given it in the first place.

 

Something is up with these weapons combined with these gems.

And the dragons' flames does give magical properties to rocks, that become dragonglass.

Which means that dragonbone also probably have "magical" properties.

Yeah, it's a magic weapon.

 

I gotta stop here.

 

Edit: Dragonglass is only available at Dragonstone. And it is not created by dragons. I got dragonglass mixed up with Valyrian steel which is allegedly created with dragonflames.(Valyrian Steel blades stay sharp forever).

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Wait I'm still on the previous post - that power to "know by touching": is that your theory or is that a confirmed power that he has? Is there reference to people having the power to "know by touching" at a certain point in the book?

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I noticed that Littlefinger, I kid you not, is always touching something.

So I went through every clip of Littlefinger, often during speeches to his adversaries, he walks around the room, and touches something. Sometimes it might seem he is fumbling around while coming up with the next "clever thing to say".

 

It was a sealed document on Tyrion's desk when Tyrion was trying to find out who the snitch was, by telling them that he wanted to marry off Cersei's daughter to different people. He promised Littlefinger Harrenhall of all places.

 

He is often sitting by the Iron throne in many scenes, and even one deleted scene where he pricks his finger on the Iron throne, leaking a drop of blood on it. And shortly after Varys mentions HarrenHal and ghosts.

 

He touches Sansa, any time he doubts her motivations.

He touches that particular whore that Varys set up against him, who then end up becoming Joffrey's new target practice.

He touches Ned Stark, or I mean, he provokes Ned Stark to go at him by hiding Caitlin in one of his brothels, then bringing Ned there, because there was no way he would even shake his hand. "Ah, the Starks. Quick tempers. Slow minds." Now that comment proves he got something out of it other than poking at a man's alleged background.(Ned Stark didn't get Jon Snow from a brothel whore, so Ned was doing a bit of acting as well.) We later found out that Littlefinger already knows about what really happened at the Tower of Joy, when he speaks to Sansa and she believes Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna. He gives her a look that's more than telling.

 

He also provokes Jon Snow purposely to go at him before he leaves to go to Dragon Stone.

Let me just put that scene into context:

 

If you don't want to refind the scene, here's where he starts pushing Jon's buttons:

"Your father and I had our differences, but he loved Cat very much"... Turns to look directly at Jon Snow

"So did I."

"She wasn't fond of you, was she?".

 

Jon dismisses Littlefinger completely,

"You don't belong down here".

"I have nothing to say to you."

and turns to leave.

 

But Littlefinger didn't get what he wanted, and he needs to have physical contact before it's too late. That sounds wrong, but you know what I mean. So what does he do?

 

"Not even thank you?"

Jon stops.

Littlefinger mentions saving him on the battlefield, and if it wasn't for him he would be slaughtered in the Battle of the Bastards.

And then he tops it off with:

 

"I love Sansa... as I loved her mother."

 

This is where Jon snaps. And Littlefinger gets exactly what he wants.

Why? Because "Knowledge is power". He's willing to suffer to get it. He's willing to move to the enemy side to get it. From the South to the North of all places. He doesn't say those things because he's ignorant of Jon Snow's feelings and thought he could say whatever he wanted and not be hurt. He knew exactly what he was doing. It was the whole point.

 

After, he seemed rather disappointed with what he learned, as if something was missing perhaps? He's a man of double meaning. We assumed it was because he was shocked that Jon would strangle him as well, but things aren't so simple with Littlefinger.

 

Maybe he didn't get the info because Jon lost it when he died and resurrected.

Or is it because he's wearing his lucky charm LongClaw?

 

 

There are so many other examples, I mean I caught Littlefinger staring into a fire.

I think I might have to make video about this before the new season starts. A good one.

I am in danger of endlessly confirming my own biases, but my way around it is figuring out where they didn't tell the story literally on screen. Like asking questions like:

How could Littlefinger know about this?

How good are his spies?

How does he know that his own spies are lying to him?

How does he really react?

When is Littlefinger honest and when is he lying?

 

I posted a similar theory on reddit six months ago, so this guy's video description "Am the original guy who thought of this" is kind of weird, being that I posted it on the same reddit long before him.

 

And his littlefinger sports ring with a giant red gem on it.

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i not one that knows  all about this but his death seemed wrong..like how did 2 stark girls get the better of him of all people..i thought he would end up on the throne or something at the end..so i like this theory..

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I went back to the events where Jon seems to be saved just in time, and in some instances there seems to be a particular style of editing related to LongClaw being used to slow down time.

Specifically, the use of slow motion.

 

When Jon unsheaves his sword at the battle of the bastards, the oncoming cavalry gradually slows down almost to a complete stop. Jon is saved by his own forces catching up with him just as he's about to get trampled. And time goes from slow to real time and he is visibly confused.

 

When Jon fought the Whitewalker at the battle of Hardhome, he is getting his ass whooped until he grabs hold of LongClaw, time slows down, and he successfully parries the Whitewalker's strike, which blows both of their minds. But the slowmotion continues until the moment Jon Snow strikes him.

 

When Jon is dead, LongClaw is resting up against a shelf/table in the same room. As the camera pans to Jon after Davos left the room, the camera switches back and forth between Jon and Ghost who is resting on the floor beside him. Ghost wakes up. He is also somewhat slowed down, but it's hard to tell.(Ghost seems to be aware of magic. He knew when a wight was trying to kill Jeor Mormont. And here he seems to know that something is going on with Jon Snow before he wakes up).

 

When Jon and his companions were surrounded by an endless stream of wights by the arrowhead mountain(Night King's birthplace), about to be overrun, time starts slowing down, as Jon looks around at his mates, and recognizes that there is no way out of this one, as do they look back at him.
Suddenly, without warning, dragonflames devour the surrounding wights from right above their heads. Melting the ice which drowns most of them, while incinerating the ones left.

 

The Night King knew the dragons would come, because they had spears this whole time, and even knew exactly which dragon they wanted to kill. Otherwise they would hit Drogon where he sat along with the whole team and Jon Snow, which the show got a lot of criticism for.

 

Why Viserys and not Drogon, which seemed to be the obvious choice?

Visery's was smaller and lighter, which means he is faster, which seemed to be the result after turning him into a undead frost dragon. If Drogon were to fall beneath the ice, it might have been impossible to drag him out of the water. But if the Night King had killed Drogon first, the two dragons in the sky could have changed their focus to the Nightwalkers and potentially burned them to a crisp.

 

In the books there is also some information about Daenery's dragons each having different colour flames, which could mean different properties. Yet the show so far seems to only display pretty much the same yellow orange flames for all of them.

 

But why not take out Jon Snow right then and there?

 

Maybe Jon Snow wasn't a threat to them?

Maybe the Night King saw a timeline in the future where Jon Snow fell into the water and never got out? Or even a timeline where Jon was never saved by Benjen Stark, just in time?

 

And as Jon gets on the horse, he says to Benjen: "Come with me!"

To which Benjen responds "There's no time".

Which there clearly was, but maybe Benjen's time was up.

 

 

If the LongClaw theory is correct, one of LongClaw's powers is to alter timelines in order to save Jon Snow, which means the Whitewalkers can't predict Jon's survival.

They probably didn't predict him killing the Whitewalker at Hardhome either. Which is why the Night King gave him a proper stare from above when Jon had defeated his first Whitewalker.

Which is also probably why he also gave him a demonstration of his own power(bringing back the dead on the beach) in order to scare Jon. He raised his arms to "raise" the dead, but that seemed more like a visual presentation, like an act, which he put on with that smile on his face in order to taunt Jon.

 

Now one detail a lot of people have missed about Longclaw is that it is the only Valyrian steel weapon so far that has been used to kill Whitewalkers.

There are now several Valyrian steel blades in the hands of "good" people, but Jon is still the only one with Valyrian Steel blade kills. Two so far. There have been several dragonglass killings of Whitewalkers since Sam Tarly. In the cave by the Children of the Forest. At Jon's mission to kidnap a wight by the Hound, Tormund, Beric, Thoros, Jorah.

 

But does that confirm that Valyrian steel kills Whitewalkers or wights? Not really.

If it is indeed LongClaw's magic that lets Jon have the upper hand on Whitewalkers, saving Jon at any cost(And often at others sacrifice), we would have to see one of our other "heroes" with Valyrian steel blades kill a Whitewalker, before we can confirm Valyrian steel blades as anti-Whitewalker weapons.

 

We would perhaps anticipate Jaime or Brienne to survive a battle against a Whitewalker with their Valyrian steel blades, but G. R. R. Martin could destroy our hopes and dreams by letting their swords shatter when we suspect otherwise.

 

Yes, Valyrian steel blades are magic in the sense that they stay sharp indefinitely, but maybe they only kill Whitewalkers when combined with other magic elements. Like the gems in Jon's sword, or the dragon bone hilt and dragonglass(and gems) on Littlefinger's dagger?

 

Just sayin', we might be up for a huge disappointment.

 

If other Valyrian steel blades other than LongClaw has been used to kill whitewalkers, please tell me.

 

Another possibility that popped up in my head is that Whitewalkers might not be able to see dragonglass. They seemed almost completely oblivious to the Children of the Forest's spears might come their way. They totally ignored Sam Tarly when he first saw the army of the dead, and the Whitewalker who Sam killed rather just punched him to the side and didn't even respond to his scream as he ran and stabbed him in the back to save Gilly and her son. Sam wasn't a threat in their eyes. Which is kind of sad at the same time, but it worked to his advantage. When Jon went to get the dragonglass at Hardhome it seemed like the Whitewalker was trying to stop him from getting it, but the Whitewalker threw Jon around the place. Almost playing with him. Hitting him with the butt end of his weapon. Chasing him out of the house. Where Jon finally got a hold of LongClaw.

 

Might be a stretch, but at least something to keep in mind.

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